Float bowl needle valve alternative?


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Dubdenny
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Float bowl needle valve alternative?

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I'm looking at replacing the original needle valves in my GL1100 carbs and came across a possible alternative to the pricey "valve set, float" p/n 16011-PK1-005 also PKA 16011-679-005. I really only want to replace the needle valves anyway bc the seats and screens are all in good shape. So while looking around, I came across a Honda p/n for the needle valve only; 16011-382-004 (superseded by 16011-KCK-910). These needle valves "appear" to be identical in length at 5/8" to my current needle valves in every photo that I've been able to find online, but the dia is still an unknown. The part number corresponds to over 100 Honda motorcycles (CB550, 650, 750, CXs, CMs, XRs, XLs, ATCs) as well as a huge assortment of other applications (Honda generators & tractors) on boats.net. I'm wondering if anyone has seen and/or used this alternative priced at $30/ea vs buying complete valve sets at $41-$54/set? TIA for your replies.


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See https://www.partzilla.com/product/honda/16011-KCK-910 for a mc application list. If anyone owns one of these bikes, I'd be grateful if you could share with me the dia and length so I can determine if the needle valves are identical to the needle valves in the GL1100 or similar.
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“The Bitterness of Poor Quality Remains Long After the Sweetness of Low Price is Forgotten”

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Re: Float bowl needle valve alternative?

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If you were around when Randall owned Randakks, you would know the reason to use the Honda brass parts.....

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newday777 wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:13 am
“The Bitterness of Poor Quality Remains Long After the Sweetness of Low Price is Forgotten”
Not sure what you're driving at, bc my question was concering a Honda OEM part that may have a X-ref capability that could help the entire GW community. Tks.
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Re: Float bowl needle valve alternative?

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newday777 wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:15 am
If you were around when Randall owned Randakks, you would know the reason to use the Honda brass parts.....
Again, did you read my post and question? I believe your our comments are more appropriate if I was contemplating the use of non-Honda parts, which I'm not. I have OEM bits in the carbs now, but I suspect that they're original i.e. 39 years old, and I'm just looking to replace the needle valves bc there's some checking evident on the rubber tips under magnification. The brass seats are in good shape, and cleaned up nicely, as are the screens.

So, to reiterate, I'm looking for feedback from "anyone" who may own one of the plethora of bikes listed in the link (see original post above) that uses the Honda OEM needle with p/n 16011-382-004 aka 16011-KCK-910.
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Needles and seats are matched. To be replaced as a set.

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newday777 wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:20 pm
Needles and seats are matched. To be replaced as a set.
If we were talking about all metal needles (like my '78 Yamaha XS650E), I would agree. If we were talking about Keihin VB series vacuum piston/dome set for my gl1100 or my CB-X, I would agree. In fact, if we were talking about "any" matched set of close tolerance metal or plastic parts parts that wear against each other, I would agree. However, we are not talking about those things, rather, we are talking about a solid brass valve seat and a rubber tipped needle valve, the latter of which cannot, by design wear out the former. Please tell me what I'm missing; I'm happy to listen (to facts).


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