caramelized fuel in carbs?


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caramelized fuel in carbs?

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I left fuel in the carbs all winter :oops: and, I think, fuel caramelized clogging jets.
Is there anything I can try before removing carbs?
If removing carbs is only option, I don't see a carb removal how-to-article.
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Appreciate any ideas.


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Re: caramelized fuel in carbs?

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One winter is usually not a problem. Fresh fuel and a good dose of Seafoam can clean things up. It can take a few tankful's depending on how dirty things are.
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Re: caramelized fuel in carbs?

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The whole story: four years ago, after leaving fuel in the carbs over the winter, I couldn't get the engine to start. It wouldn't even sputter as if getting a little bit of fuel. That's why I demised the jets were clogged with caramelized fuel. I drained the fuel out of the tank knowing it was going to be months before I would address the problem. I imagine that whatever fuel that was in the carbs stayed in the carbs and by now has crystalized.
Responding to Rambozo: Does this extra information change the potential solution?
As you can tell, I know all too little about carburetors - thus the following questions:
1. Would I first try adding fuel directly to the carburetors to see if the engine will fire up?
2. If I wanted to pour in fuel would I lift the air filter under the false tank and deliver fuel there?
3. How much fuel would be suggested? 1/4 cup?
4. If too much fuel is delivered in that manner, will it leak out of the carbs and/or cause other damage?
5. Is there a way to drain the carbs? If so, would there be another cleaning agent to use to flush the carbs? What might that timing look like?

I'm not a total ditz, though. I've rebuilt just about everything on this bike thanks to the "How To Articles" on this website.
Thank you, again, for any insight provided!
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Re: caramelized fuel in carbs?

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If it hasn't run in four years, it's pretty much certain that the carbs will have to come apart to get things cleaned out.
Did you do anything to diagnose the no start condition back then? Check for spark, prime with fuel or starting fluid, etc.?
You might have other problems as well. Just sitting for one winter would not have kept it from running. There are plenty of crazy Canadians way up north with GoldWings that have no problem even with the week and a half long riding season they have. ;)

0. First check for spark, compression, etc.
1. You can try, and you can at least make it run for a bit that way, even if the carbs are shot. Options; you can fill the float bowls via the vents or just squirt a little fuel down the throats. Or you can hang a small tank a foot or two above the carbs, and hook that up to the fuel line for a gravity fed setup. Watch for leaking carbs from stuck float valves.
2. That would be the place to squirt in a little.
3. Way too much, maybe a tablespoon per carb is all you need to squirt in. It won't run long, but enough to know everything else is ok. You could also use starting fluid, instead.
4. As long as you don't go crazy it won't directly harm anything. However, it could very well back fire and there will be flames coming out of the carb, not a big deal, but be careful not to burn wires and such.
5. There are usually drain screws on the float bowls, or you can remove them. Not likely any cleaner is going to work in situ.
The carbs will most likely need to come apart and have a nice long bath in an ultrasonic cleaner to function again. The idle jets might even need some persuasion with a fine wire to get the gunk out.


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