Starter issue on a 84 Interstate


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Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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I have an 84 interstate that has a starter problem. I was hitting the ignition and starter button and the starter engaged the engine and spun it to start like it's supposed to. Then, intermittently, it started to kick out while cranking but would always reengage the engine on the next try until the engine fired up.
Now the starter motor just spins and doesn't engage the engine and won't turn it over. Any thought or solutions :evil:


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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Book says to check for;
Faulty starter clutch.
Falutly starter motor reduction gears.
Faulty starter motor sprockets or chain.
I'm guessing the first?
I have read were some of the guys with starter issues run some MMO or Sea Foam in the oil for a couple of hundred miles or a tank of gas and then drain and put in fresh oil. Aparently it gets gunked up in there depending on the type of oil used and how often changed.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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It does sound like the starter clutch. It is a wet clutch system, meaning the clutch assembly utilizes the engine oil for proper operation. There are rollers and needle bearings within the assembly, wich can get gunked up over time. A good idea (the easiest, without removing/disassemblying engine) is to change oil/filter , add some "Seafoam" and drive a few hundred miles. Then change oil and filter again. The "Seafoam" stands a good change of loosening the gunk wich can then be flushed out when changing oil again. I assume the starter has not been off the bike.....if it has, it could also be the starter sprocket missed engaging with the starter clutch chain, although not likely.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Sounds like a good and easy solution. The one problem is getting the bike started. It doesn't crank!
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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As a last resourt, center stand it after you ad the sea foam,put it in 5 th gear and use the rear wheel the roll the engine over a few times.pull in the clutch and bump the starter once or twice.
If no luck, 2nd gear push start.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Good thought!!! I went out and rotated the rear tire after the SeaFoam went in and soon it (starter)engaged like normal. Thanks for the tip!
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Great! Now, remember to run it/drive it for a bit and then change the oil again. Glad you got it going!
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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I have a "warm engine start issue". Here goes:
Starter spins fine and starts when cold,].
Battery has been load tested.
New starter solenoid installed.
After bike has been ridden for several miles/minutes then shut down on the attempted re-start the starter bogs down like a low battery (that's not the case here) and it cranks too slowly to start.
Let it cool and spins and starts just like new.

I'm thinking of trying the Sea Foam treatment.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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I think a new set of starter brushes will work wonders on this bike... A bit of work to get the starter off, but an inexpensive fix.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Thank you,

Do you know how many AMPS the starter should draw when healthy?
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Never measured, so don't know. On this 4 cyl engine I'd guesstimate 50-75 amps on a warm engine. Would be surprised if it's any more than that with a properly running starter. It will draw much less than that free-running on a test bench.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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the starter is protected by a 30 amp fuse so ... something less than 30 amps i would guess.
as winger said, these starters respond well to a new set of brushes, a good cleaning and re-greasing.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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winguyjo wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:37 pm the starter is protected by a 30 amp fuse so ... something less than 30 amps i would guess.
as winger said, these starters respond well to a new set of brushes, a good cleaning and re-greasing.
The starter current does not go thru the main fuse. That fuse is only for the entire rest of the bike electrical current. On a cold morning with thick engine oil the starter could easily draw north of 100 amps!
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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less than 30 amps certainly did seem low for this application when i thought about it.

i am going to learn to read a schematic if it kills me ( a distinct possibility ). :shock:
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Thanks again Gentlemen.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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See if this might help. Many years ago I had a old car with the same problem. After trying everything I could think of including replacing starter a couple of times someone told me to check main ground at frame. Problem solved. Good Luck.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Beats tearing the starter out for sure. Thx
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Hello Forum, I am having the same issue with an 84 IE. I bought the bike from a Harley guy who was fixing for a previous owner who had let the bike set for 3 years. He changed the oil and plugs but could only get the bike to idle. I cleaned the carbs and the jets and was firing off like a champ. I changed the timing belts and bumped over the starter to see rotation on the belts. Starter engaged a few times but then just spun after that. I will change out the oil with Mobil 1 10W40 and a half can of Seafoam. I will turn the engine over on stand with key off in 5th gear to get solvent up to starter clutch.

My point is if a Harley guy worked on your bike make sure he put in the correct oil. Oil changes for Harleys are a whole different animal. I will update on how starter issue ends up.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Not to hijack forum but Im having a similar problem.

Fresh off the battery charger it fires right up. New Battery.

After I ride it and cut the engine and go to start it bogs down and eventually starts. It's almost like the draw is too much for it.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Have the battery load tested and/or the charging system needs to be tested.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Pulled the starter off my '84 1150 GL. 37 years of goo, old grease, dirt, dust and whatever else could get in there. Replaces brushes, cleaned and lubricated bearings and re-installed.

Spins like a top, starts every time.

Here's the twist. I removed the starter with no issues, just the usual twisting and wiggling to remove. Apparently it GREW during rebuild. Had a heck of a problem getting it back in.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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I still haven't gotten this fixed and wanted to provide an update:


I had this on the trickle charger for 20 hours.
hadn't been on in 4 weeks or so.
Started right up and died due to choke
did that again.
Never did it have a problem trying to start.

Went for a 40 minute ride and it read 14.6-14.7 almost the entire time until I got home and went got to a red light. Stayed at 14.6 then dropped to 13.4 for 10 seconds and came back up.

I let it sit for 15 minutes and dogged trying to start. I feel like it has some kind of drain after I shut it off.
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Re: Starter issue on a 84 Interstate

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Sounds like a ground issue. Check ALL your ground wires, not just the main ground.


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