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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by roadwanderer2 » Mon May 16, 2016 8:01 am



ok, from what i found out,(from the Fram company), and from looking at the photo of the filter on the bike, the larger section of the filter,(coming off the tank) is on the bottom and the shorter section is on the top going towards the fuel pump.

once i get my new fuel pump and this filter installed, my bike should run a little better. i'll keep ya'll posted on how it turns out.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Eaglecry24 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:43 pm

Any results from the old thread? I've just ordered. One... I hope it will work.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by twocams » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:37 pm

The only ones that use this type of fuel filter is the fuel injected models. (SEI). The 1200A dont have fuel injection unless someone changed it. They just use an inline gas filter if you have the 4 carburators.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Eaglecry24 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:47 am

I have an 86 SEi and 87 A. I replaced the filter in my 87 and when I went to replace it in the 86 I was expecting the same thing and was surprised when I came accross the high pressure filter. It makes sense, I only wasn't thinking at the time. So I'm looking for and have purchased this G-3969 Fram filter last night from e-bay hoping this will work. I smell fuel when the engine is running and it's lacking power at higher rpm's. That's usually a taletell sign right?

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by twocams » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:21 am

Not necessarily but a good place to start. If this doesnt fix your problem you may need to take some tupperware off so you can see. The only bike I have fuel injected is my 2003 BMW the other 3 have carbs. So one of the other guys here maybe able to help more.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by roadwanderer2 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:06 pm

Eaglecry24 wrote:I have an 86 SEi and 87 A. I replaced the filter in my 87 and when I went to replace it in the 86 I was expecting the same thing and was surprised when I came accross the high pressure filter. It makes sense, I only wasn't thinking at the time. So I'm looking for and have purchased this G-3969 Fram filter last night from e-bay hoping this will work. I smell fuel when the engine is running and it's lacking power at higher rpm's. That's usually a taletell sign right?
i also have the 86 SEi and using the same filter as you are. if your trying to reuse the chrome cover that came attached to the OEM filter, it won't fit. your replacement filter is much larger than the original one. you MUST use NEW crush washers on both sides of the upper and lower banjo bolts otherwise it will leak. you can put the new filter in the same place as the old one was. make sure you have the larger side on the bottom and the smaller side upward. position the fuel lines in the shape slots and put the banjo bolts in, screw them down by hand then tighten them with your end wrench. if you have 2 of the same size wrenches, use both as your tightening the bolts. i don't remember what the torque values are on the bolts, but get them as tight as you can without stripping them.

below is a photo of how the fuel filter looks when your bolting it in. the hose coming down from the tank goes to the top and the line going to the fuel pump goes on the bottom. just remember, short side up, large side down.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Eaglecry24 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:56 pm

Thanks guys!! The filter will be here Election Day... Fun times. I'll keep y'all posted as to the outcome of this installation.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Rusty Bike » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:44 am

" i don't remember what the torque values are on the bolts, but get them as tight as you can without stripping them."

WRONG! This is how one ruins parts, assemblies, engines and bikes! I find that I tend to overtighten everything when not using a torque wrench. Torque values are speced by the manufacture for a reason. Fasteners, castings, and assemblies will distort, fail or fall apart at the worst moment when not properly torqued. The OEM 84-87 Honda service manual and SEi supplement manual both have a very extensive list of torque values for these fine machines, far more information then the Clymers manual. In addition there is a list of generic torque values for common metric fasteners listed in the Honda manual. When one uses the listed torque values, great confidence is achieved with the knowledge that the front rotor is not going to fail when a dear runs in front of you. Or that the fuel filter is not going to fail and blow up your house! Eagle, I'll get the banjo bolt torque specs for you when I get in the garage....Rusty

OK, Banjo bolts on fuel filter 22 Nm/ 16 ft lbs according to the Honda SEi supplement manual. LTD should be the same.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:17 am

Rusty Bike wrote:" i don't remember what the torque values are on the bolts, but get them as tight as you can without stripping them."

WRONG! This is how one ruins parts, assemblies, engines and bikes! I find that I tend to overtighten everything when not using a torque wrench. Torque values are speced by the manufacture for a reason. Fasteners, castings, and assemblies will distort, fail or fall apart at the worst moment when not properly torqued. The OEM 84-87 Honda service manual and SEi supplement manual both have a very extensive list of torque values for these fine machines, far more information then the Clymers manual. In addition there is a list of generic torque values for common metric fasteners listed in the Honda manual. When one uses the listed torque values, great confidence is achieved with the knowledge that the front rotor is not going to fail when a dear runs in front of you. Or that the fuel filter is not going to fail and blow up your house! Eagle, I'll get the banjo bolt torque specs for you when I get in the garage....Rusty

OK, Banjo bolts on fuel filter 22 Nm/ 16 ft lbs according to the Honda SEi supplement manual. LTD should be the same.
Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes. :) ESPECIALLY on these old bikes - there's nothing worse than stripping a fastener on some item that is going to take a lot of time and $$$ trying to find a replacement.

And just how do you know "tight as you can without stripping them?" The only way to know what that is, is by stripping it! "oops, ok, that was too much, next time I'll tighten it just a little less."

There's nothing worse than feeling that sudden "give" in a fastener as it strips, and realizing that your five minute job just turned into a five hour job.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Rednaxs60 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:12 am

Just rounded out my torque wrench set with a 1/4 inch, goes from 10 to 200 inch-pounds. Should be good for the little stuff and getting into small spaces.

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Rusty Bike » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:10 am

There's nothing worse than feeling that sudden "give" in a fastener as it strips
Admin: You just made me a little queezy with that statement! :shock: LOL. Have a good one buddy...Rusty

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Eaglecry24 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:46 pm

:lol: you guys are funny. In any case, the new filter is installed and the results are...

Well... I'll be changing out the spark plugs...

The filter fits ok. A little big but it works. (That's what sh... Nevermind). It all seems smooth and such but something isn't quite right. The acceleration seems to be fine but there's an undertone that I can't put my finger on. Maybe it's the torque I put on the filter :lol: :mrgreen:

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Malm » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:07 am

Thanks guys, I was wondering what to do for my 86 SEI fuel filter.... How are you measuring the torque on the banjo bolts?
Common sense is NOT so common....

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:32 am

Malm wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:07 am
Thanks guys, I was wondering what to do for my 86 SEI fuel filter.... How are you measuring the torque on the banjo bolts?
With small diameter bolts and screws, I use a 3 inch long ratchet and quit when it gets tight and quits turning.... that is enough torque...
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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Rednaxs60 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:55 am

Fuel filter banjo bolts: 22 n.m or 16 ft-lbs. Not a lot of space for a torque wrench. Once torque, turn on, let pressure build up - make sure you turn on the fuel shut off valve. On the fuel injected models, fuel shut off valve is only used when working on the fuel system. If the banjo bolts are not tight enough and you have some fuel leaking, give the banjo bolt nut a further tweak to seal - doesn't take much.
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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by SilverDave » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:52 am

One of the most used tools on MY toolbox is a small handle "inch-pounds " torque wrench. Its a 1.4 inch drive . Coupled with a 6" extension, its perfect for all those tiny bolt problems :

Like Starter fasteners ..... Fuel filter clamps ... Carb tops .... tiny bolts and screws everywhere..

I think 150 to 180 inch -lbs will hold a fuel filter in place ... and you can approach this number in slow stages ( My ft-lb bigger torque wrench starts at around 10 to 15 ft -lbs .

This tiny torque wrench is also small enough to get both it and my hand inside the confined upper fairing space space when clamping down the allen keyed fork pinch bolts ( 8 and 16 ft-lbs , or 96 and 192 inch-lbs ).
( I had to grind down the 6mm allen key to about 1/2 size )

I don't think I could accurately set 8 ft-lbs on my bigger torque wrench , even if I could get it in there.
.............................................
But the best part ? I found this valuable tool in an old hardware store cabinet ,one of those stores that has everything ...... probably sitting there since the '50's ..

The clerk did not know what it was.
" How much for that?" , I said ...
"How does $10.00 sound? " he said .
" Sold " I replied ...

LOL


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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Rusty Bike » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:24 pm

Cool, our old thread is still helping. I am now replaceing the fuel pump. The fuel pump just would not come on at times. I took off the cover and wacked it with a stick each time it acted up. Got me home...3 times...LOL. I think the brushes were hanging up, hell it was only 31 yrs old. I bought the Denso 951-3003. This pump is too long and has a stiff foam sound deadening band around it that makes it a loose fit in the clamp. I made it work by building a 90 deg. inlet fitting from the Denso straight 3/8 hose barb inlet. PITA but it worked. I feel a better fuel pump choice may be the Carter P70199. It looks the same as OEM and is the one I should have bought but I was two cheap to pay return shipping for the Denso. Actually the 90 deg fitting I made is better, it eliminates the tendency of the fuel line to kink at the pump. BTW, my bike is running better then ever. Bog, hesitation, pop and bulk and surging is all gone! Main culprets were, pluged up injectors and rock hard plug wires. I did install the BEI TPS from Mouser Electronics but I don't think that was the problem. Ride safe folks............................................>>

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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Malm » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:04 am

Rusty Bike wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:24 pm
Cool, our old thread is still helping.
Main culprets were, pluged up injectors and rock hard plug wires.
Yep, it sure helped me :)

Curious, what did you do for plug wires? Rebuild the old set with new wires, re-using the old boots or?
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Re: SEi fuel filter

Post by Rednaxs60 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:03 am

Rock hard plug wires is an understatement. Just replaced mine with Beldon high temperature 7 mm steel wound solid core. Solid core only means either steel or copper wound internal core. Tried copper core and engine does not like the copper core. The OEM wires are a steel core as well.

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