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Alternative coolant

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Can I use Prestone lowtox in my 1984 honda goldwing aspencade? It contains propylene glycol, but, from what I understand, doesn't have the lubricant additives in the honda antifreeze brands.
One other thing, Prestone lowtox runs $13.99 a gallon straight (not 50/50), and the Honda pro runs $9.95 a qt (I need at least 3 qts - $30.00).



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"Silicate Free" is the thing you want ..... green is fine. Read container close frt and back. Green is fine or the ''mixes with any" is fine ..... but you want "Silicate Free" .
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Thanks CrystalPistol, I'll get it.

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OK, Thanks again. I Have flushed the cooling system with distilled water and then added Prestone Lowtox (which was $13.00 at NAPA for a straight gallon, so $6.50 for 50/50 vs $40.00 for the Honda brand at the Sport shop). Bike is back together and running great.
---BUT-----
I am concerned about not having the "recommended lubricants" in the mix... So...
:?: Is there an additive on the market that I can add to the coolant that will do the same job as the additives Honda puts in their Antifreeze? :?

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FWIW, I use Valvoline coolant from local Walmart $12.99 per gallon 50/50 premix.
Its the only one at Walmart (and they have many) that clearly states "Silicate and Borate Free".
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Don'tknow about additives, but no problems ever in the GL1200,
82 GL500 , 96 Magna or the 84 VT500 Ascot.

Again, just my .02 cents.

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I use the Honda Antifreeze sold at the automotive parts counter at the local Honda Auto Dealer. It is Silicate and Phosphate free, 50/50 mix antifreeze and water and is about $19.00 a gallon. The only difference from the Antifreeze sold at the Honda Motorcycle Dealer and the Honda Auto Dealer It is green instead of blue in color.
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http://www.valvoline.com/our-products/a ... ze-coolant

Specifically states on lable... suitable for older Honda engines. Good enough for me.

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Antifreeze used to be antifreeze. Now with emissions. There is several kinds. I use a mixes with everything 50/50 that's good with aluminum. The new OAT stuff will not mix with older ones. They react with each other and destroy some components inside. If you want to change be sure to flush the engine twice with water. I like older stuff.

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Guys, this is from the Valvoline product specs from above thread, copied below.
Note that this product is not silicate free, it is low-silicate, whatever low means.
Personally, I wouldn't use it, but to each his own.

Valvoline™ ZEREX™ G-05™ Antifreeze / Coolant uses organic acid-based chemistry to provide the ultimate protection against rust and corrosion. Additional product benefits include:

Automaker approved technology. Protection for up to 5 years / 150,000 miles in light duty applications or 3 years / 300,000 in heavy duty applications.
Minimizes inhibitor depletion
Low-silicate, low-pH and phosphate-free formula
Protects all cooling system metals, including aluminum

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I wouldn't use that in my bike. I'm sure it's good but that is what I use in my 2006 Dodge 5.9. It calls for a HOAT antifreeze.

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If you have had to replace a water pump at all, you would make sure that you have the "silicate-free" coolant. Don't have a dealership close, about a 2 hour round trip to the closest. wound up ordering some on line. Much to my surprise, when it came, it actually said blue Type 2 and completely compatible with the green (can be mixed). Haven't had anybody come right out and say it, but I'm convinced that it is the same that the Honda dealerships are selling in gallon containers and for much less.
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CrystalPistol wrote:"Silicate Free" is the thing you want ..... green is fine. Read container close frt and back. Green is fine or the ''mixes with any" is fine ..... but you want "Silicate Free" .
I am new to this "Silicate Free" thing and I was about to do a coolant system flush and replace the antifreeze in my GL1000 when I ran into a drain plug/engine guard problem. (See my other thread) viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36566 Now I find out I have to make sure the bottle of Antifreeze I bought says Silicate Free but it does not! Can someone tell me if I can use what I purchased (See Picture of Prestone) or if I need to go back to the store!?????
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The one I use says on the container, no silicate and good
for aluminum engines. Also good to mix with all antifreeze.

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I got this from an online source concerning coolant for Honda Motorcycles....

The problem:

Sometimes, even a straightforward thing like adding or changing coolant becomes fraught with potential problems.

Case in point:

Choosing a motorcycle coolant should be straightforward. Motorcycle engines are made of aluminium. It stands to reason that if we chose a name brand coolant that featured compatibility with aluminium as well as 7 or 8 other metals, we'd be safe, right?

Well it turns out that we'd be wrong. At least for Honda motorcycles....

Read more at http://pages.infinit.net/mcrides/engine ... oolant.htm

Maybe I'm overly cautious when it comes to the aluminum radiators, water pump and water jackets in my bike but if it were me, I'd take the Prestone back and go buy some Honda Antifreeze from the Honda dealer. If it does not say phosphate and silicate free, it isn't.
And by the way, always use distilled water if you have to mix straight coolant with water to obtain the 50/50 mix. Also when you are flushing your system. Distilled water is less than a buck a gallon.

Just my two cents worth.
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Copied from that article.

"Traditional automotive coolant contains silicates as part of its anti-corrosive additive mix. It appears that silicates (abrasive in nature) damage the Honda water-pump seals. There have been a spate of Honda water-pump failures that typically occur within one year of having replaced the OEM coolant with silicate-based automotive coolant.

What's the solution?

The recommended coolant, at least for Honda motorcycles, is the newer-generation non-silicate-based coolant. I suspect that non-silicate coolant would be gentler on other brand motorcycles as well. "

That just states what we have all been saying. "Use non Silicate". Honda branded coolant not necessary just another choice.

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Thanks Tom
You explained it much better than I did. My feelings exactly.

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dingdong wrote:"Use non Silicate". Honda branded coolant not necessary just another choice.
Taking your advise (but not wanting to spend big $) I went to the local NAPA and found "Zerex" It says on the label "Silicate & Borate Free" (see pictures) Also says "recommended for Honda"

Hopefully this will do the job!?

If anyone has had any experience with this product (good or bad) please speak up now! I'm on my way down to the garage to learn how to remove my engine guard in order to drain old coolant.... so there is still time to stop me if this is a bad product.
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Product reads silicate free. You're good to go.

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dingdong wrote:Product reads silicate free. You're good to go.
Thanks... I just finished flushing the system with distilled water. After lunch... refill & reassembly!
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New antifreeze is like some new oils. Do the research before you buy and use it. Not nearly as simple as it used to be.



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