2 Embarrassing Questions


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Hi, again. I have a couple (maybe more) questions about my 94A.

1) What controls the indicator (dash) light test sequence, and headlight? Right now, all of a sudden, when I turn the key on, I get no headlight, and the only indicator light that comes on is the neutral light. The others don't go through the system or bulb check routine. However, when I hit the starter button, the bike fires right up and seems to run fine. After it runs for about 4 or 5 seconds, on comes the headlight and the lights appear to complete a shortened test cycle. They then function normally. I have had the alternator serviced and bench tested successfully. I have a new AGM battery as well. The alt shop said to check for 12v on "the bottom of the T" on the 2 pin connector at the alternator, which I will do when I get it back together. They also suggested that I check all fuses to see if any are blown. Which leads to:::

2) Apparently Big Blue has been so darn reliable (purchased new with 200,000 miles and counting) that it has been years since I have checked any fuses. So, how the heck do I get the fuse box cover off? The owners manual says to "remove the cover".. ??

Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

Ron in AZ


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I have been trying to find a chart showing what each fuse supports or services. I found this, but cannot get a view of this entire chart. It appears to be what I am looking for, and if I get a complete image, I will post it here. It seems to be very valuable info that I'm surprised is so hard to find..

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I found it on page 1-16 of the Honda Goldwing 1500 1993 Electrical Troubleshooting Manual DDF6B. I can't capture the whole page, but all of the details at the bottom are what I (and possibly others) am looking for.
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IIRC the GL1500 doesn't have any start up test type routine. Turn key, all lights on. Turn key, all lights and engine off.

The starter button disables the headlight to reduce current draw while cranking the engine. My guess is that button is sticking or dirty. I would start with cleaning the handlebar switches along with the ignition switches and the connections to the switch.

Did you get the side cover off and the cover over the fuse box? Pull off gently.
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Thanks. However, on my bike, upon turning on the key, the bottom row of indicators (hi beam, side stand, low fuel, oil pressure, the two cruise system lights, etc) come on momentarily, then go to normal functioning.

But now, they don't come on until after the bike has been running a few seconds. Only the Neutral light comes on at key-on.

Up until this point, the headlight would come on with key-up, turn off during crank, then come back on. Right now, the headlight(s) don't come on at all until the bike is running.

I can't get the fuse box cover off with gentle prying. I don't want to break anything. I already finally snapped a peg on my side cover yesterday, after 28 years of doing it right... Luckily I still have the peg, so will attempt to repair with ABS glue.
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Perhaps a difference in terminology. I still do not believe it is a fuse. A dirty connection somewhere is my suggestion.
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It could very well be. I will post more info as I go along. When I said this all started suddenly happening, there is a long, frustrating story. I will follow these suggestions. I neglected to tell the whole story, hoping that someone here has had a similar experience and could point me in a general direction, similar to you. Thank you.

I will spend a bit more time looking into it, but it wouldn't take very long to exceed my electrical capabilities. I am truly hoping this doesn't change the bike into a parts bike. It's been in the family since day one and I have high hopes to continue the journey with it/him.

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The bulb check when key is first turned to "ON" is performed by the LCD module.
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ct1500 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:53 pm The bulb check when key is first turned to "ON" is performed by the LCD module.

Hmmm. Interesting. Never heard of that module. Thanks!
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landisr wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:26 pm Hmmm. Interesting. Never heard of that module. Thanks!
The one you look at all the time buried within the digital display.
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ct1500 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:01 pm
landisr wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:26 pm Hmmm. Interesting. Never heard of that module. Thanks!
The one you look at all the time buried within the digital display.
:)

I understand and use the LCD display but did not realize it was a module that actually controlled other stuff.
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Andy Cote wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:52 pm IIRC the GL1500 doesn't have any start up test type routine. Turn key, all lights on. Turn key, all lights and engine off.

The starter button disables the headlight to reduce current draw while cranking the engine. My guess is that button is sticking or dirty. I would start with cleaning the handlebar switches along with the ignition switches and the connections to the switch.

Did you get the side cover off and the cover over the fuse box? Pull off gently.
Actually the 1500s do temporarily light up all of the bulbs at Key On.
then they turn OFF, and go to Normal Operation.

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If bulb check happens and headlights come on after bike has been started this might be a symptom of the famous relay #3 not making good contact, vibrations from engine running causing contacts to complete.

Try swapping relay #3 with #5 (Air compressor) and see what happens. Might just need a new relay.
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landisr wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:26 pmHmmm. Interesting. Never heard of that module. Thanks!
And without the display or one not working the air suspension control will not work.
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UPDATE: I finally got the fuse box cover off and tested all the fuses in there. All TESTED ok. While I was at it, I tested the Main fuses, and lo and behold, main fuse B (dogbone) was blown. 😯 I replaced it, hooked up the battery and the headlight and bulb check routine are functional. Now onward to find out what blew that fuse...

In the meantime, I will be distracted thinking about how the bike would start and run with that blown fuse.. 🤔 Hint to self; I must remember that because the alternator wasn't charging (thus a run down battery), in order to get home from BFE I bought and installed a car battery in the trunk with custom built battery cables. Bike battery was removed and stowed in the trunk.
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landisr wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:33 pm I will be distracted thinking about how the bike would start and run with that blown fuse..
Just about the only thing on the bike that goes thru the dogbone fuse is the Alternator. If the dogbone is blown the bike will still run, but no charge from the alternator.

Just about everything else runs thru Main Fuse "A" on the start relay "A"
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Rube Goldberg is alive and well...

The yellow wire is the positive wire of a direct wired (fused) cigar lighter, obviously disconnected for the trip home.
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If the dogbone is broken and not melted, it was age and vibration not an overload that took it out. One reason there is a spare in the fuse cover. If it was melted, check to see if a high output alternator has been installed. They require double dogbones.
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Rambozo wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:40 pm If the dogbone is broken and not melted, it was age and vibration not an overload that took it out. One reason there is a spare in the fuse cover. If it was melted, check to see if a high output alternator has been installed. They require double dogbones.
Thank you, RB. To clarify, it is that 'circuit' that was interrupted. I several years ago replaced the dogbone fuse with an inline bayonet 30A fuse. It can be seen in the first attachment above.
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Need to upgrade your fuse then, that's probably why it blew. 30 Amps is too small, original dogbone is rated 55 amps. 60 amp bayonet would be fine, doubt you can find 55 amp.
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DenverWinger wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:57 pm Need to upgrade your fuse then, that's probably why it blew. 30 Amps is too small, original dogbone is rated 55 amps. 60 amp bayonet would be fine, doubt you can find 55 amp.
OMG. So I have been living on a wing and a prayer so to speak for several years now. It proves that I have not overloaded the bike with a gazillion extras. :lol: That's what I get for using the same 'fix' that I used on my '76s.... Who'd a thunk it?

Thanks a million. Although I will still do some chasing to look for loose, frayed or burnt wires or connectors.

Thanks again.

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Or you could just remove your 30 amp fuse and go back to a standard dogbone. I read somewhere they sell 55amp dogbone for Honda cars at O'reilly auto parts, it's the same fuse.
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Ya learn somethin' new every day.... :D

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UPDATE: I found some 40A fuses so I upgraded to see how things went while waiting for a new maxi-fuse holder and 50A fuses to arrive. I put a 40A fuse in, installed the alternator & battery and fired her up. The headlights came on as normal, the bulb check completed, the bike started and ran great, and I observed 14.1v at 1200 fast idle. 👍 I have taken increasingly longer rides with no problems. I chased wires as best I could, looking for suspicious issues. None found. The fuse holder and fuses arrived, but were determined to be too massive for my application. So I shipped them back and went back to the stock dogbone fuse and cover. Live and learn.

Thank you all for your patience and support. We are in prime time riding season here so I and a couple buddies will be meandering around southern and central CA soon.

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That looks like an awful lot of weight in the trunk. Car batteries aren't light.


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