Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug


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Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:17 am



Well I think I have got most everything to put my 1500SE back together: EZ Steer for the front end, SS brake lines all around, Card rebuilt kit from Randakk, Rear caliper and master cylinder rebuilt kit as well, New HD mufflers, not counting the work done last season... I am just missing a new set of tires.
I have my mind made up for the front. It will be the Avon Cobra Trike.
On the rear I want to put a Michelin X-Ice Xi3. However it does come in 2 sixe: P195/55R16 or P195/60R16. The 55 ratio is about 6.3% smaller while the 60 ratio is about 3.3% smaller. I know that the 195/55 has been used a lot in Run Flat version but is discontinued anyway. I stay shy of run flat without TPMS...
Just looking comments on the 60 ratio option?
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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by RoadRogue » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:07 pm

The 60 series tire is close to stock ride height, others have said they scrape hard parts with the 55 series tire on the rear and a side car when coming out of gas stations and other driveways. 8-)
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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:29 pm

Thank you for your reply,
I can see why this kind of complaints you arise. A 55 ratio would lower the bike by almost 7/8". A 60 ratio would lower it by only half of that...
The EZ Steer will lower the front by 1/2" so the 60 ratio would keep the frame level without loosing too much ground clearance.

I posted the same question on sidecar.com forum and I've got a couple of reply saying that the 195/55 will not fit a 1500? I've seen quite a few post where it appears people were using the 195 on their GL1500.
Do you know for sure if it would fit or not?

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by RoadRogue » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:07 pm

I for one am using a 195-55-16 General tire Altimax Hp tire on my 97 1500SE , so yes it fits and works very well. The 60 series would work just as well but didn't come in that size in that tire. Those that say it won't work don't know what they are speaking about as far as this is concerned 8-)

General Tire Altimax HP 195-55-16
General Tire Altimax HP 195-55-16

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:20 am

Thank you RoadRogue, that settle it... A picture is worst a 1000 words...
I wanted to mount a Michelin because I manufactured tires with them for over 35 years... However in the 60 ratio they only have a summer or winter version. I live in Nova Scotia and you never know what the weather be like. So I am looking for an all season one. The counpound for the winter rated one will be too soft and not forgiving if the sidecar alignement is not just perfect I am afraid. Yokohama does have an all season and I have been happy with the OEM on my Subaru. Will try them I think!
I like the 51 psi allowable pressure just in case it needs more pressure to "pop" it on the narrow rim.
The width of this tire is 8" on a 6" wide rim. The 4" narrow rim should make it a bit narrower yet.
I just checked the width between the swing arms and it is 8 1/4". About 7 1/2" between the flange and the left arm. So yes, it should be no problem to slide it in there when deflated.

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by 2000 wing » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:58 pm

Will going to CT change speedometer reading

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by 2000 wing » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:41 pm

Will going to CT change speedometer reading

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:13 pm

No. On a 1500 the pick up for the speedometer is on the front wheel.

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Dusty Boots » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:27 pm

What it will change, being a slightly smaller diameter tire over the stock 60/80-16, is increased throttle response! :mrgreen:

Ideal for those that tow, or those who just like to 'hot dog' away from the lights! :o

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:32 pm

Correct, which in my case should help with the sidecar. Also I will soon put an EZ steer triple tree which does lower the front by about 1/2". So the frame should stay somewhat level without loosing too much ground clearance. I find out for sure when I put everything back together...!

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Jag39 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:17 pm

RoadRogue wrote:I for one am using a 195-55-16 General tire Altimax Hp tire on my 97 1500SE , so yes it fits and works very well. The 60 series would work just as well but didn't come in that size in that tire. Those that say it won't work don't know what they are speaking about as far as this is concerned 8-)
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I had a couple of questions, since I'm thinking of going this route on my '98se. First, I assume this is a radial tire, since I don't think it comes in a bias tire? Second is mounting. I've done plenty of motorcycle tires, myself. Also fair sized tractor tires. Are these car tires mountable with ordinary tire spoons, or are the beads such that you need someone to mount them for you? Wasn't sure if a car shop would do it, or even was able to chuck it up to do it. Much simpler if you can just buy the tire and do it yourself.

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by RoadRogue » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:36 pm

Jag39 wrote:
RoadRogue wrote:I for one am using a 195-55-16 General tire Altimax Hp tire on my 97 1500SE , so yes it fits and works very well. The 60 series would work just as well but didn't come in that size in that tire. Those that say it won't work don't know what they are speaking about as far as this is concerned 8-)
ani gone darkside.jpg
I had a couple of questions, since I'm thinking of going this route on my '98se. First, I assume this is a radial tire, since I don't think it comes in a bias tire? Second is mounting. I've done plenty of motorcycle tires, myself. Also fair sized tractor tires. Are these car tires mountable with ordinary tire spoons, or are the beads such that you need someone to mount them for you? Wasn't sure if a car shop would do it, or even was able to chuck it up to do it. Much simpler if you can just buy the tire and do it yourself.
I am a cheap bast*rd, I will not pay someone else to change my tires. Yes you can mount a CT with tire spoons, I use a liberal dose of spray silicone for mounting lube, the bead seats with less than 40 psi.I use the beads to balance the wheel. Yes that is a radial tire, no it doesn't cause any handling issues even with a Bias tire up front. 8-)
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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Jag39 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:52 am

Thanks for the info. Just wanted to see what I was getting into, in the way of mounting. I've been viewing the DS comments for sometime, both here and elsewhere, and don't have a problem with giving it a shot. I've been balancing my tires with the stick on weights, but might take more of them with a CT. That to be seen. Dyna Beads probably the way to go. Again, thanks.

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by TAZZ » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:04 pm

Hi all I will like to ask does the went to CT Honda say to lube the shaft every 10,000 to 15,000 mile that every tire change but you guts with CT go about 30 to 45,000 mile on your CT isn't this way over due on the shaft for lube?

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by RoadRogue » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:00 pm

It's an easy problem to solve, when it's time I pull the wheel, final drive and driveshaft. Re grease and reinstall. There is no rule that says you have to wait till the tire change. It's just part of the maintenance schedule like changing oil or brake pads, when it's time it's time! 8-)
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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:31 am

Finally made up my mind...
I went with a Yokohama P195/60R16. I intend to put Dyna Beads in it for balancing. The Avon Trike will go to the front.

On a different subject, to rebuilt the rear master cylinder, you have to remove the so call "collector" box. To get to it, you have to remove the exhaust manifold on the right side. In doing so the most forward stud broke... What a job to take the remaining piece out... Ended up having to file 2 flats so that a wisegrip pliers would get enough grip to untighten it! For a moment, I could see having to remove the head to send it to a machine shop! Back on track to put thing together...

Let you know how the P195 fits in.

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by TAZZ » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:26 pm

Has any of you guys every use the 195/70/16 tire on the bike

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:31 pm

The 195/70 is slightly taller than the OEM 160/80. I haven't tried on my bike but from previous reading, it should fit...
195/70 160/80
Diameter 26.7" 26.1" -2.2%

Less than 3/8" on the radius would not be a problem.

As for as the width, I am relying on other users. I did ordered a P195 which should be there on Monday. I'll do a dry fit when I get it...

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Dusty Boots » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:09 pm

Don't expect much clearance to the swing arm.
Best to deflate the tire and you might have to lever it up into place from below.
That's what a buddy of mine did to get it (non run flat 195/55-16) in there.



While I have a 195/55-16 Yokohama Avid ENVigor ZPS run flat installed on my spare rear rim, I have yet to install it on my bike as I am waiting to wear down/out my current Dunlop E3 MT 1st (it currently has a little over 34,000 KM/ 21,500 mi on it), or until a little before I head out on a 17,000 + mi trip this July/August.





The mounted/inflated Yok is not all that much wider than the dismounted, worn out Dunlop E3 160/80-16 that I took off the spare rim!






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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:43 am

Well my tire did arrived yesterday...
Dusty Boots, I wasn`t sure what you meant when saying it may have to be put from under... Now I do.
The inside swing arms width is about 8 1/4" and the opening between the left arm and the hub is about 6 1/2"... The tire itself, deflated and not mounted, is about 7 1/2". To make matter more interesting, the frame for saddle box and rear bumper, put it at an angle... Now I understand why it may have to go from under...
Once on the rim the tire will probably be a little narrower, will see as I am going in town today and will leave at my Honda dealer for mounting...

Does anyone would know the rated width of those rims? 4" or 3 1/2"?

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Dusty Boots » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:59 am

They are 3 1/2".

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:33 pm

My 195/60R16 is on the rim... While its width was about 7 1/2" free, it turns out that once mounted and deflated, it is about 6 7/8" wide. So it should not be a big deal to push it in place.
Inflated at 41 psi, the width is 7 1/4". So I should get 1/2" once installed and ready to roll.

Looking good so far...

My mechanic pointed out that the bearings were not turning. While you could get them to turn, there was way more friction than if it was the bearing seals only... Looks like they were on their way to cease. Good catch. I ordered a set of "All Balls" bearings. The kit cost $35.00CAD. If I was to go with "Honda" bearings and seal it was almost $150.00CAD. Which beg the question: How good are he "All Balls" bearings. I checked the "How to replace the front wheel bearings" procedure and the "All Balls" bearings are recommended... I will apply the same technique to the rear ones... but what about the quality of this kit?

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Dusty Boots » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:14 pm

I've used the All Balls 200,000 km ago for my steering head bearings and new front wheel bearings (All Balls) 100,000 km ago and everything is fine. I also installed a set of All Balls in the rear wheel of a buddy of mine's 1500 and he put about 100,000 km on them before he sold it and bought a 1800. Again, no issues.

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Elmobile » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:37 am

Thank you Dusty Boots,
Glad to hear there is no issues with them. The head bearings which came with my Steer-Rite are also from All Balls...

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Re: Rear car tire for GL1500SE tug

Post by Mr Magic Fingers » Tue May 02, 2017 4:34 am

Elmobile wrote:Finally made up my mind... I went with a Yokohama P195/60R16. I intend to put Dyna Beads in it for balancing. The Avon Trike will go to the front.
Hey Elmobile...

Please keep us posted on how your choice of tire holds up and first impressions. I am very interested to know how things work out for you. Where did you order your tire from?

I have always wanted to go the Dark Side route but could not justify the cost of ordering in a Taxi tire from the states even when the money was at par.

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