Compleat power failure turn the key nothing what would cause this problem ??


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Compleat power failure turn the key nothing what would cause this problem ??

Post by wingdings » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:45 am



Hi - Folks - I have a big problem with my 1989k - wing model - which I am currently rebuilding - put the battery back on - turned the key - nothing !! the bike is dead in the water not lights - nothing !! - The battery is fully charged all fuses are in tact and are good too - the question I am asking here is what circuit would cause a total power failure on the bike - ??? I have tried the usual suspects - reverse gear lever - side stand - etc - but nothing !!! . I am right in the middle of this rebuild of the bike - this is a devastating blow any help most welcome and I will always reply with a big thank you too - best regards - john - (need a electric guru on this one please !! ?? ) . :D :D

1) Which - relay do I look at that provides total power to the bike ?? .

2) Where would you start your investigation and track down the fault .



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Re: Compleat power failure turn the key nothing what would cause this problem ??

Post by RBGERSON » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:29 am

Main negative ground, big double dog bone fuses would be my first stops. AND Stop run switch on??? and/or wire in correctly
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Post by wingdings » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:43 am

Hi - there - and many thanks for your kind reply too - main dog bone fuse is intact - grounds are all good and it is set to run position too - I will just have to keep at it - but again many - many thanks for your reply there too !! ... :D :D

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Post by Dusty Boots » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:12 am

Try reaching down to the wiring harness going into the ignition and give it a little 'wiggle'!
Also, pull the dog bone fuses and make sure they are in good shape and not cracked/corroded etc

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Re: Compleat power failure turn the key nothing what would cause this problem ??

Post by virgilmobile » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:24 am

Using your test light,probe fuse #9.It should have battery volts on it.
Main power for the bike comes from a 30 amp fuse at the starter solenoid.



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Post by wingdings » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:43 am

Hi - there !! - dusty - many thanks for your reply there too - I tried what you said - but still no joy - I enclose a vid of what I have done so far - I am just hoping I can solve this - here is the vid - I made - https://1drv.ms/v/s!AghZXu-GTTGrpBX9A3zc0kPc6u2X -This is the probe tool I used - here is the video link for that too -

- again many thanks for your reply if you think of anything else please let me know Asap !! ... :) :) :)

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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:13 am

I'm not that fancy with a test probe.Mine is a light bulb on a stick.What do the lights mean?
Were looking for 12 volts on both sides of the 30 amp fuse on the starter solenoid and also on the fuse #9.
By the way,testing with the key on is a perfect method.

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Post by wingdings » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:40 am

hi - thanks for your speedy reply there - too - yes - the red light is for positive and the green is for negative there fella - so if you look at the vid I sent you - https://1drv.ms/v/s!AghZXu-GTTGrpBX9A3zc0kPc6u2X - when I tested the starter solenoid Virgil - The right side terminal bleeped and flashed green indicating negative input on the right side terminal ( the black wire ) when I repeated this again on the left side terminal - the red terminal - it flashed red bleep indicating that positive current was flowing - however if you are saying they should be current on both sides at the top of the starter solenoid blots then would it be fair to say the starter solenoid is gone then Virgil ?? :roll: :roll: :roll: again thanks fella !! - p.s here is a link that explains the probe and how it works

I think I am using it right - however electrics was never my strong point either - give me a tool to fabricate any day - !! ..

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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:06 am

Not on the big terminals.They go to the starter.Just one will have battery volts.There's a fuse on the solenoid.It should have volts on both sides.
I think its under the red cover


This is the main 30 amp power feed to the fusebox and ignition switch.Do test it with the key turned ON.

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Post by wingdings » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:55 pm

Hi - Virgil - thanks for your speedy reply too again - Ok just been out to the garage - I did what you asked - here is the vid of that - https://1drv.ms/v/s!AghZXu-GTTGrpBZq1BJviRY9nZbi and this one with the ignition turned on and the unit put together and the probe - probing from the bottom on the fuse - https://1drv.ms/v/s!AghZXu-GTTGrpBlySxghHKTL563B again Virgil thanks so much for your help fella !!!..

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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:00 pm

I'm having a **** of a time trying to watch the video.Sorting out the problem now.
With the solenoid plugged back in and the key on,did you have power on both sides of the fuse?There should also be a red wire leaving the solenoid,it should have power also.This red wire feeds the fuse block.

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Post by wingdings » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:02 pm

Hi - Virgil - thanks for the reply back there too - and sorry if the video was a lot of bother was defo not my intention to do that to you fella - ok your questions then - yes power is there on both parts of the fuse when the probe is pushed into the fuse holder from the bottom and the ignition is turned onto full and the engine kill switch is set to run

there is a red power lead leaving the solenoid and it does have power back to the fuse board ... :? :? :? :? :? :( :( :(

Again Virgil - a very big thank you fella .. :D :D

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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:45 pm

OK.Next test point.
By the relays,there's a 5 amp fuse.When you turn on the key,there should be power on both sides and you should hear a relay click.I'll double check but I think its #3.called main/tail relay.

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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:07 pm

Here's a bit more information.On my 88,the plug for the ignition switch is located behind the left faring marker light.


If you can get to it,probe this.
Red-12 volts battery power all the time.
Black- power with the key in the on position.
Blue/orange the same.
Light green/black the same.

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Post by virgilmobile » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:12 pm

If you like to see pictures and read a bit,my ignition switch was bad.I did fix it.When restoring my bike from the flood,the ignition switch was intermittent.viewtopic.php?f=6&t=35868&start=50

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Post by wingdings » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:20 am

Good morning there !! Virgil - Thanks very much again for your help too !! - OK been out this morning to the garage - tested the 5amp fuse below the relay in the box - Got a negative green reading on the probe on both sides of the 5amp fuse ?? - see very short vid I took while I did the test - defo do not want to do your nut in with this - your help so far has been invaluable to me which I cannot thank you enough for too - here is the very short vid - https://1drv.ms/v/s!AghZXu-GTTGrpCTP1k7wA2RHIjd9

I still have to check out the plug for the ignition switch is located behind the left faring marker light I be doing that next Virgil - I can only think now that - when I fitted the new power rectifier behind the battery box I must have wire it up wrong ?? - I need someone with a 88/ 89 model to take the battery box off there bike take pics of how the power rectifier is wired up in theirs and send them on that way I can tick that one off the list .. ok back at it again ... thanks fella !! ... best regards john...

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Post by virgilmobile » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:06 am

You were mucking about behind the battery box.?Any chance you didn't get the battery ground hooked back up?The wiring is a bit funny there.The other solenoid has a ground cable for the starter and there's a ground for the battery.
Hook up your fancy test probe again but this time connect the black clamp to the frame instead of the battery post.Probe the battery positive terminal with the key on.Does it have volts.



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Post by wingdings » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:50 pm

Good - Evening to you there - Virgil - Just got in from the garage now - saw your message - yes you where right !! - I had not done up tight enough on the earth wire to power /rectifier :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: - So yes have partly got the bike working again - I have - The ignition back working ( fuel pump running and starter also working and turning over the engine ) - indicators working - :D :D :D :D :D

Now the bad news - :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

No - head lights at all !! - and the dash does not light up and the rev counter is off line and not working too ?? - However the lcd display is all working fine Virgil along with radio - very strange indeed ?? as far as I am aware the bike is a US - import bike - so the head lights should stay on all the time , this is something I like to change at a later date .

I went though all the relays too this afternoon and tested each one on the bike in the fuse box - there is only one that is not working right - its a blue one - I think that one works the air compressor yes ?? . hope you can help with this one Virgil please ...

Tell you Virgil - if this site gave out awards - you get my vote rite away fella - a very big thank you fella too !! best regards - john..

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Post by virgilmobile » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:24 pm

I don't know 'blue" relay.You'll have to identify it by its location or number.
Glad you found some of the problem.
Now to the rest..
Headlights don't work...Both high beam and low beam get power from there own relay and fuses.With the key on,when you operate the high/low switch,you should hear one click off and the other on.Keep in mind that when you push the start button a pair of contacts open and remove power that feeds the high/low switch.Often this part of the switch can be bad and kill the headlights.Even a sticking start button can kill the headlights so wiggle it about first to see if the lights come back on.
As far as being able to kill the headlights only,I recommend locating the low beam relay.You will see a green wire feeding each one.Its the relay ground.Should it be disconnected by a switch somewhere you could select the low beam,flip the switch and cut that light off but still retain the high beam function.
Now on about the rest.Besides the tack problem and dash lights out,are there any other lights out?
How bout the oil pressure light,side stand light,OD light (when in top gear).
The rev gauge(tachometer) gets power from the same place as these lights.
The dash lights are also routed through the ignition switch.
This should keep you bizzy for a while.Lemme know what you find. :lol:

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Post by wingdings » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:38 am

Good afternoon !! - There Virgil - And to begin with a very big thank you indeed too !! I did a wire wiggle in the area you said and bingo !! the whole lot lit up like a xmas tree !! - I traced the trouble back to a loose contact in a plug on the left side fairing so very happy chap this morning I was indeed !! I can only say Virgil a very very big thank you to you fella - next job is to fix a headlight switch on so I can turn those dam head lights off if I need too !! - lol ... here is a little vid to show the thing working - https://1drv.ms/v/s!AghZXu-GTTGrpCZQO6Vqe-9x_M1a

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Post by wingdings » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:16 am

H38360-MN5-003    Honda   
Details:
This is an OEM 10 amp relay. This genuine Honda relay is a replacement for the 10 amp factory relays found in the relay box next to the fuse box on all years and models of Goldwing 1500's from 1988-2000.  this was the relay that was not working properly Virgil - the one you were asking me about fella ..

There is only 1 of these blue 10 amp relays used in the main fuse box and it is for what Honda calls the "position" lights, or in other words, the two small bulbs on each side of the headlight.

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