Strange issue with starter motor on 1500

[Gdgiò]

ciao All!
every now and then , i appear ..for getting your support for wich I thank a lot!!

I have been reading many posts on this issue but did not find anything similar problem of mine...or i missed here is the issue:
while riding my 1500 se 1999 ,suddendly i started hearing something buzzing. I thought it was in my ears since it was stable and same tone despite the speed and RPM but when i looked at the voltmeter i saw the value dropping .

First slowly the in few seconds down to 7 volts ..in the same time display dashboard started blinking! immediatelly afterthat votlage came back to normal value and buzzing disappeared !Stared wondering what a hell was going to happen but i kept riding untill we stopped for a coffe and when I was about to start the bike....click!...****! again click ..click!!! no way to leave the place!
I just ppushed the bike and was able to start and luckily reached home.

Today in my garage, i have done some checks according your topics suggestion:
-Battery checked finding full voltage 12,7V
-Relay (the one near by the battery), clicks but can not hear the relay B clicking.
-I meausered the voltage downstream the Relay B when pressing ignition button ...no voltage
-I shorted Realy B and pressed the ignition button when i heard the starter motor to attempt to engage but no spin...in the same time measure the voltage at starter connector finding about 12V
- I tried to bring direct battery voltage to starter motor but nothing happened
-Strange is that, when i again I tried to start the bike by pressing the ignition switch, the realy A did no longer click.

My diagnoses is that probably starter motor went to short for a while and now is gone...it explains the voltage drop but IF relay B is gone...well I have no explanations.

few questions:
Starter motor
- I want to remove the starter motor for checking...any warning?
-to test it, do i need only to supply 12 V to + and - ?
-do you know the starter's coil resistance (ohm)?
-If broken,can starter be repaired?

Relays
- I want to check the both solenoids (relays) how to do that?
- worthy to replace them anyhow?
- Now when the relay A does not click, is there a fuse somehere in addition the 30A "build-in" one?

thanks

[Gdgiò]

hi
I removed the starter ,tested and found it stuck!

the isolation ring protecting the brushes (probably bakelite) bicame brittle and crumbled so that the resulting debris went to everywhere stucking the rotor. after cleaning and testing was working but i prefer to replace it with a new one... (see some pictures)
I tested the solenoid A by apply direct voltage and was working but i will test all the circuit when ready with new starter.
could you pls in the mean while ,tell me where I find fuses 1 & 2 shown in the pic? i am afraid one of them is burned

thanks in advance

[Erdeniz Umman]

hi
I removed the starter ,tested and found it stuck!

the isolation ring protecting the brushes (probably bakelite) bicame brittle and crumbled so that the resulting debris went to everywhere stucking the rotor. after cleaning and testing was working but i prefer to replace it with a new one... (see some pictures)
I tested the solenoid A by apply direct voltage and was working but i will test all the circuit when ready with new starter.
could you pls in the mean while ,tell me where I find fuses 1 & 2 shown in the pic? i am afraid one of them is burned


HondaGoldingGL1500StartingSystemCircuitandWiringDiagram.jpgIMG_1307a.jpgIMG_1308a.jpgIMG_1310a.jpg

thanks in advance

According to your numbering, fuse #1 is in the fuse box on the left side, fuse #2 is on the right side near the battery in a rubber protector (note that there are two 5A fuses there) .

[Corkster52]

by Gdgiò » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:49 pm

hi
I removed the starter ,tested and found it stuck!

Wow! That is shocking failure. Makes me wonder if mine is having similar issues. How many miles do you have on the bike?

[Gdgiò]

by Gdgiò » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:49 pm

hi
I removed the starter ,tested and found it stuck!

Wow! That is shocking failure. Makes me wonder if mine is having similar issues. How many miles do you have on the bike?

90.000Km...about 60.000 miles

[Gdgiò]

hi
I removed the starter ,tested and found it stuck!

the isolation ring protecting the brushes (probably bakelite) bicame brittle and crumbled so that the resulting debris went to everywhere stucking the rotor. after cleaning and testing was working but i prefer to replace it with a new one... (see some pictures)
I tested the solenoid A by apply direct voltage and was working but i will test all the circuit when ready with new starter.
could you pls in the mean while ,tell me where I find fuses 1 & 2 shown in the pic? i am afraid one of them is burned


HondaGoldingGL1500StartingSystemCircuitandWiringDiagram.jpgIMG_1307a.jpgIMG_1308a.jpgIMG_1310a.jpg

thanks in advance

According to your numbering, fuse #1 is in the fuse box on the left side, fuse #2 is on the right side near the battery in a rubber protector (note that there are two 5A fuses there) .

Thanks for tip.
so #1 should be easy to find.Is it numbered ?
I tried to look for #2 but could not find it.do u have picture to adress me?

[Gdgiò]

today i purchased the new starter.
I went to garage trying to install it but afetr 1 hours attempting I could not be able to put in!

despite several tricks I could not engage the inner's gear hole in the engine...only deviated minds will now start commenting ...
Is there additional tricks to get the starter's shaft spline in to the gear's splined hole?
I even tried to engage the second gear and move the bike to rotate the spline but seems to be tricky.
I will surf the forums but if you can adress me to right place ...thanks

[Erdeniz Umman]

hi
I removed the starter ,tested and found it stuck!

the isolation ring protecting the brushes (probably bakelite) bicame brittle and crumbled so that the resulting debris went to everywhere stucking the rotor. after cleaning and testing was working but i prefer to replace it with a new one... (see some pictures)
I tested the solenoid A by apply direct voltage and was working but i will test all the circuit when ready with new starter.
could you pls in the mean while ,tell me where I find fuses 1 & 2 shown in the pic? i am afraid one of them is burned


HondaGoldingGL1500StartingSystemCircuitandWiringDiagram.jpgIMG_1307a.jpgIMG_1308a.jpgIMG_1310a.jpg

thanks in advance

According to your numbering, fuse #1 is in the fuse box on the left side, fuse #2 is on the right side near the battery in a rubber protector (note that there are two 5A fuses there) .

Thanks for tip.
so #1 should be easy to find.Is it numbered ?
I tried to look for #2 but could not find it.do u have picture to adress me?

Here is the fuse and relay box, but because your bike is an European bike there may be some differences as on my bike. For example you probably don't have a stop light relay (#2).

The information about the fuses and relays should be written on the cover of them.

Here are the 5A fuses in the rubber protection.

[Erdeniz Umman]

today i purchased the new starter.
I went to garage trying to install it but afetr 1 hours attempting I could not be able to put in!

despite several tricks I could not engage the inner's gear hole in the engine...only deviated minds will now start commenting ...
Is there additional tricks to get the starter's shaft spline in to the gear's splined hole?
I even tried to engage the second gear and move the bike to rotate the spline but seems to be tricky.
I will surf the forums but if you can adress me to right place ...thanks

Be careful, you don't want to break the gear inside while installing, I have read a thread on this before.
Here is a part of that thread.

[Gdgiò]

I have been a tens of day ,away from home so i could not work around the issue..
yesterday i kept investigating and still after several attempts I culd not get the starteer in. UNBELIEVEBLE !!
if i put the old starter ..it works and when i try with old it does not!!

I need to understand if the gear or the spline is the cause... so I stripped down the old and the new starter to test the gear alone as well the spline
here the reason:
the new spline does not gets in! the new spline is slightly different and bad machined that by eyes you do not pet it could not fit in.
I will install the old spline shaft to the new starter to resolve the issue.
then let's check the results..
btw
thanks for your tips..

[Corkster52]

The diameter of the splines on the new one looks smaller, is it?

[Gdgiò]

The diameter of the splines on the new one looks smaller, is it?

yes it is actually a bit smaller (0,2mm) basicall nothing but the cause is not diameter but the quality of the spline.peak and grove of the spline must have somethig wrong... unfortunatelly can not check this.
However the starter is now on place!

[WingAdmin]

This is not the first time I have heard of this exact issue with aftermarket starters.

[seelyark1]

I had a very similar problem with my starter. Mine was caused by the starter button sticking so that the starter couldn't be stopped. It eventually burned up the brush wiring after it ruined the whole motor. It seems that by spraying that switch with electrical contact cleaner, it works fine for a while. Stuck on me again the other day, and eventually got it to break contact. Will be cleaning it again. Replacing the starter is a pain!

[dingdong]

You are probably lucky that the starter didn't fit. From the looks of that machine work and metal composition it would have broken soon. Chinese garbage. AAARRRGGGHHH. Good luck with the rest of it.

[TAZZ]

Hi all Honda service manual does not said anything about servicing the starter. So do any of you or do we have a maintenance schedule as of miles or years that we should maintenance the starter has to clean the brushes and remove the dust from the starter also if we need new brushes do any off you know were we can get new brushes. We do all the other maintenance but seem to forget about the starter.

[dingdong]

Hi all Honda service manual does not said anything about servicing the starter. So do any of you or do we have a maintenance schedule as of miles or years that we should maintenance the starter has to clean the brushes and remove the dust from the starter also if we need new brushes do any off you know were we can get new brushes. We do all the other maintenance but seem to forget about the starter.

Brushes as well as other parts are still available from Honda.

http://shop.westernhonda.com/fiche_sect ... veh=132039

[TAZZ]

Hi all Honda service manual does not said anything about servicing the starter. So do any of you or do we have a maintenance schedule as of miles or years that we should maintenance the starter has to clean the brushes and remove the dust from the starter also if we need new brushes do any off you know were we can get new brushes. We do all the other maintenance but seem to forget about the starter.

Brushes as well as other parts are still available from Honda.

http://shop.westernhonda.com/fiche_sect ... veh=132039

Thank I forgot to ask which grease do we use went we take the starter apart

[Charlie1Horse]

Hi all Honda service manual does not said anything about servicing the starter. So do any of you or do we have a maintenance schedule as of miles or years that we should maintenance the starter has to clean the brushes and remove the dust from the starter also if we need new brushes do any off you know were we can get new brushes. We do all the other maintenance but seem to forget about the starter.

That's another one of those questions that really can't be answered with any certainty as to how much use the starter gets. My 92 Interstate with 96K only turns over about 2 turns before it is running so, I think my starter will probably last the life of the bike. But, if you have to crank several seconds to start running you will probably have to service it at an unknown mileage. The more you crank, the shorter the life span. Just listen to it and feel out anytime it starts to make any odd noise or if you feel an unusual vibration at starting.
Russell

Those who say it cannot be done should try not to interrupt those who are doing it.

[bellboy40]

Another consideration is that the Aspencade and SE has a reverse system that uses the starter. They will get a lot more use than the Interstate model will. However the starters are very robust on these bikes because they not only start the engine but move it when in reverse. Unless something happens that makes it run continuously like yours did, they will probably last the lifetime of the motorcycle.

[SivaGoldwing]

today i purchased the new starter.
I went to garage trying to install it but afetr 1 hours attempting I could not be able to put in!

despite several tricks I could not engage the inner's gear hole in the engine...only deviated minds will now start commenting ...
Is there additional tricks to get the starter's shaft spline in to the gear's splined hole?
I even tried to engage the second gear and move the bike to rotate the spline but seems to be tricky.
I will surf the forums but if you can adress me to right place ...thanks

Where does this wire go? It splits into 2 wires and has a 10amp fuse attached to it?

Backstory.
I bought a 93 Goldwing then rode 60 miles home.
Then I parked, it sat for 2 hours, I then go start it and it WON'T Start.

I bought a new solenoid and got the battery fully charged but it won't Start.
The power comes on, it turns, cranks but Won't Start.
The bike does have 114K miles.

I don't know when the starter was last replaced.

Do you think it's the starter for me too?

Before I order a starter,,, I want to make sure it's not anything else.

The battery is good, solenoid is good.
A long fast ticking but won't start.

Could it be that I got lucky?
I bought it, rode her home then the starter goes out?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[SivaGoldwing]

The diameter of the splines on the new one looks smaller, is it?

yes it is actually a bit smaller (0,2mm) basicall nothing but the cause is not diameter but the quality of the spline.peak and grove of the spline must have somethig wrong... unfortunatelly can not check this.
However the starter is now on place!

Congratulations .
So, the starter WAS the issue?
Switching out the starter got your bike starting and running again?

Could be my issues to.

And wanted to make sure that these wires are screwed in properly,,, but where?