Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question


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Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by rickdf » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:00 pm



Hi All,

Kind of new to Goldwings but I do own a 1981 Silver Wing Interstate.

I'm looking at a very low mileage (less than 20k miles) 1993 GL1500 SE.

The bike is on the road and the owner does drive it around a bit so it's not been sitting for years.

So the question is, how soon would you think I'd need to replace the timing belts?

I asked him about that and he looked at me like I was crazy saying the manual says 100k miles to replace.

Thanks in advance for any sanity check ya'll can provide. Cheers. //Rick//



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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by Charlie1Horse » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:15 pm

At this point I don't think the mileage really matters. Those belts are 25 years old. I would change them ASAP. The fact that he does ride it some would make them OK for a very short time. The age will make them 'break down' a little. They will probably still look new but, they should be changed quickly.
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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by bluthundr31 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:01 am

+1 on the timing belts being one of the first things you should do, , , , ,

After that, , does PO have good-decent records on oil changes/ spark plug changes/ fuel filter/brake-clutch fluid changes etc, , etc, , ,??

You're gonna enjoy the heck outta that new beast, , , Safe travels. . .

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by hugger-4641 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:39 am

Agree with what's already been said. The mileage is not the concern here, the age is. I've never seen an "age" recommendation for changing the timing belt, but it stands to reason that most other belts and hoses normally last 5 to 10 years. But the risk factor is different. If you run a fan belt to failure, usually no major damage to the engine. Something as critical as a timing belt; I would think you'd want to change at least every 10 years, regardless of mileage.

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by joeincalif » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:24 am

They need to be changed, I have seen people saying the same thing about tires. The tread is good, but if the bike is 12 years old and only has 5 or 6,000 miles on it sure the tread looks good but age is a factor.
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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by Mh434 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:19 pm

Gates, themselves (the makers of the belts) advise that the rubber in the belts degrades in oxygen. Your belts are far beyond their "best before" date, and to run the engine without changing them is courting disaster. Even slipping a couple of teeth can result in complete engine destruction. Right now, your engine is a hand grenade, the pin has been pulled, and the spoon is hanging there by a thread... :shock:

While it's a time-consuming job (lots of plastic to remove), replacing the belts themselves is a simple, straightforward, inexpensive job.

WingAdmin has put together an inclusive, step-by-step post (with tons of pictures) on exactly how to do this on a GL1500. If you follow his procedure, step by step, you simply cannot go wrong!!

The only cost is likely to be the belts themselves, roughly $35USD per pair (Amazon.com). The benefit is peace of mind, for quite a few years & tens of thousands of miles.

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by rickdf » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:50 pm

Thanks all, exactly what I was thinking.

I'm currently looking a few different bikes and whichever one I do end up getting, I'll be replacing the belts for sure since they all are relatively low mileage bikes.

It's amazing tho, I recently talked to an old school Honda certified motorcycle mechanic that has worked on hundreds if not thousands of Goldwings over 25 years and he said this is all hogwash, lol.

He said those original OEM belts are good for 100k regardless of age and he's never ever seen one fail.

Oh well, glad I found this forum because as you've all stated, it's a relatively low-cost item and I know I'm technically capable of doing with the great guide on here so it's a no-brainer.

Cheers.

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by bellboy40 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:27 pm

Well he may never have seen one break but that doesn't mean they won't break. My riding buddy had one break on a relatively low mileage Goldwing just driving down the road about 70 mph. It made a heck of a racket before he could get it clutched and stop the engine from turning. It bent a couple valves on the side that broke but just scarred up the piston top. We took the head off on that side and replaced the valves. Put it back together and he rode it many more trouble free miles before trading for another.

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by Bluewaterhooker0 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:09 pm

According to Gates, they're suggesting replacement every 60K miles OR 6 years, if nothing is specified by a vehicle manufacturer. That's a bit more conservative than the "100K mile Inspection" that Honda states. Considering the potential damage, I'd tend to err on the conservative side, and follow the Gates recommendation.

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:28 pm

rickdf wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:50 pm
Thanks all, exactly what I was thinking.

I'm currently looking a few different bikes and whichever one I do end up getting, I'll be replacing the belts for sure since they all are relatively low mileage bikes.

It's amazing tho, I recently talked to an old school Honda certified motorcycle mechanic that has worked on hundreds if not thousands of Goldwings over 25 years and he said this is all hogwash, lol.

He said those original OEM belts are good for 100k regardless of age and he's never ever seen one fail.

Oh well, glad I found this forum because as you've all stated, it's a relatively low-cost item and I know I'm technically capable of doing with the great guide on here so it's a no-brainer.

Cheers.
No offense to the Honda certified mechanic, but we have had MANY users here on the site who ignored this advice and just rode the bikes anyway, heard the "bang crunch" as their belt broke, then came here to try to find out where to get a new engine. It happens, and the vast majority of the bikes on which it happened were nowhere near 100,000 miles.

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by bluthundr31 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:04 am

Shucks, , , if I was an "old school Honda mechanic" I'd tell you it was all "Hogwash" too!!! He just considers it "JOB SECURITY", , , :D

Them "old school" folks are dumb like a FOX fer sure!!!

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by brian.peters » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:46 am

I just replaced the belt on my 97. They were original and had 80k on them. They looked fine all.in all but it is well worth the piece of mind. It takes a bit to get at them but really not a hard job. It took me about 4 hours but I also did a cruise control adjustment at the same time so it's probably closer to 2 hours.

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by themainviking » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:44 am

bluthundr31 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:04 am
Them "old school" mechanics are dumb like a FOX fer sure!!!
Some of them be that. Then again, I have met some who, although, very good at what they do, are kind of single minded. These ones are "strong like bull, smart like tractor"....... as in, the same people who told all their customers that synthetic oil would destroy their engines.
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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by rickdf » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:01 pm

bluthundr31 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:04 am
Shucks, , , if I was an "old school Honda mechanic" I'd tell you it was all "Hogwash" too!!! He just considers it "JOB SECURITY", , , :D

Them "old school" folks are dumb like a FOX fer sure!!!

ADVICE: Listen to the folks who have nothing to gain by telling you the truth, , ,it might save you the expense of a new engine.
Absolutely agree. I just mentioned that anecdote as an aside. I wouldn't ask a question from all the experience on this forum without taking the advice that's for sure. I'm so impressed with the "How to" section. Can't believe how detailed the instructions are for everything. Looking forward to my first "wing". Got it narrowed down between a couple of really nice low mileage 1500s. Thanks for everyones' advice and well wishes. I'll post some pics once I finally pull the trigger. Cheers. //Rick//

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by Charlie1Horse » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:13 pm

rickdf wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:50 pm

It's amazing tho, I recently talked to an old school Honda certified motorcycle mechanic that has worked on hundreds if not thousands of Goldwings over 25 years and he said this is all hogwash, lol.
Well, if this 'old school' mechanic will guarantee (IN WRITING) that they will not break and that he will replace your engine (AT HIS EXPENSE) when it fails, then I would think about taking his word for it. . . . NAH, on second thought, even at that, I'd have to be without for a while when it blows.
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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:51 am

brian.peters wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:46 am
I just replaced the belt on my 97. They were original and had 80k on them. They looked fine all.in all but it is well worth the piece of mind. It takes a bit to get at them but really not a hard job. It took me about 4 hours but I also did a cruise control adjustment at the same time so it's probably closer to 2 hours.
"They looked fine..."

Timing belts wear on the INSIDE. They are designed not to stretch at ALL, so you will not see cracks and resultant wear like you do on regular drive belts. A timing belt that is worn and on the verge of failing can look exactly the same as one that will be good for another 50,000 miles or more. That's why it's ridiculous that the Honda maintenance schedule says "inspect timing belts" - there's nothing to inspect! Apart from obvious damage like chunks of rubber or teeth missing, you can't tell the condition of timing belts by inspecting them.

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Re: Potential Purchase of 1993 low mileage GL1500 Timing belt Question

Post by Happytrails » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:47 pm

Mine were 23yrs old when I replaced em and they did look fine. Its cheap insurance to replace em though. They aren't expensive.


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