airbox off and bike will not start


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airbox off and bike will not start

Post by tprender » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:08 pm



Went and got a new battery last week so that I could start riding for the year. After I got the bike started I had gas coming down the right side of the bike on a drain line and a wire that were next to each other. Took the bike off of the center stand and the leaked stopped, but I had still had the smell of gas. Took the bike for a short ride and still had the smell of gas as I was riding and after I had parked the bike. I also, had the smell of gas sometimes when I was riding last year. So, I watched a few videos on getting to the carbs off so that I could find the leak. Took the airbox off and tried to start the bike to find the leak, but the bike will not turn over, just a click. Is there something that I need to hook back up for the bike to run. Checked the battery and it is reading 13V



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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by virgilmobile » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:34 pm

Is your kickstand down?Bike in neutral?

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:20 pm

and don't ask me how I know this:

is the Kill Switch in the middle position?
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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by tprender » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:38 pm

Just went out and checked, bike is in neutral and tried with the kickstand up and down. The kill switch is in run. All that I get is a one click back by the battery. Is there a tipover switch or something like that that I could have unplugged on the airbox?

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by virgilmobile » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:34 pm

Not to my knowledge.If the bike has a reverse lever,operate a couple of times and check again.
Question..Does the cruise light come on when the key is turned on?
Possible problems...The bank angle sensor is stopping #6 relay from operating...
Relay #6 feeds power to the crank circuit.
Another is the engine has been flooded with fuel and has hydrolocked a cylinder..
One of the starter solenoids quit.
The starter quit.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by tprender » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:45 pm

Give that man the big stuffed animal for winning the prize. I went out and looked and the reverse lever was up some from when I took it off. Moved it down and pushed the button and it turned over. Will check it out to morning morning, to late and to cold for me to check it out now. I want to say thanks for all of the help. Now I hope that I don't have to pull the carbs, I can find my leak with the carbs still on the bike. I would have never though about the reverse lever being out of position.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by bellboy40 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:12 pm

I had a similar problem last year on my 1994SE. When I would start it, gas would run down the drain tubes on the right side of the bike and drip on the exhaust pipe and produce white smoke. That is when I noticed something was wrong as I was seeing the smoke rise up while the bike was warming up. It was also dripping some on the floor under the bike. Mine was leaking from the fuel bowl gaskets. It is hard to tell where it is leaking from even with the air filter removed. It is just too crowded in there to see very well. I had to pull the carbs off and replace the fuel bowl gaskets and a few more o-rings as well as clean up the bowls and jets while I had it apart. It is a pretty good job to get those suckers out on the 1500s. I hope I don't have to do that job again.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:30 pm

I have some links


Carburetors

Here is a video of a carb rebuild on the 1500s.








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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by bellboy40 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:08 am

In addition to the ones John posted above, here is another link that I found very useful when I did the job on my carbs. Lots of good pictures and tips on what to watch for while you are doing the work.

http://www.jmartino.me/carb/index.htm

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by tprender » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:57 am

Thanks for the help. I have looked at both of them before I started the project yesterday. Both of them are very good. Will watch them again before I take the carbs apart if I have to. Will be going out to start the bike and see if I can see the leak in just a little bit. I am betting that I will have to put the carbs and redo the gaskets like bellboy said. Sounds like my problem is the same as his.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by tprender » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:19 am

Went out and got the bike running. Let it run for about 5 min and don't see any leaks. Will do a couple of times today to see if it does leak. I can't believe that I don't see anything.. Don't want to put it back together without doing anything.
When taking apart only dropped a washer and the rubber bushing. Getting it back together will be the hard part.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by bellboy40 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:35 pm

Yep, the same thing mine was doing. At times it was dry while riding. Seemed to be worse after sitting unused for a few days. If the bowl gaskets are dripping fuel, it will still be hard to see exactly where it is coming from. I could see it running down the drain tubes but not where it was originating from.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by tprender » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:50 pm

found my problem on the 3rd start up. The accelerator pump is leaking. Will pull the carbs and replace the o-rings in the pump and see if that helps or do I just go and get a new pump if it doesn't cost to much.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by bellboy40 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:09 pm

It may just be the little o-ring between the pump and carb body (#10 in the fiche). Or maybe item #6 in the same fiche. That last one is the tube & o-rings that the fuel gets shot through by the pump. You can tell more what is happening when you get the carbs off and on the bench. Then get some fuel in the bowls and work the pump to see where it is coming from.
https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda ... r-assembly

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by tprender » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:19 pm

The fuel looks like it is coming out of the top not the side. They show something on the top but there is no number and that is were I see some gas setting as I work the throttle. The housing is wet, so I am guessing that is were my leak is. I am sure that there is a little o-ring in there. Found the whole pump assembly for $83.38 with free shipping. But if I could get just the part that I need would be great. I will try and call Randakk tomorrow to see if they have that part alone.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by bellboy40 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:50 pm

It sounds like it might be the o-rings around the tube that the fuel gets pumped through. It goes between the top of the pump and the top plate on the carbs. I don't see the o-rings listed separately. You have to get item #6 which is the tube and both o-rings. As I said earlier, you can tell more about it when you have them on the bench and can see what is happening.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by tprender » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:44 pm

Got the carb off of the bike and took it apart. I can see that this is going to be a real bear to put back together. I agree with you that it could be the tube with the 2 o-rings that is leaking. Will see if I can get some o-rings at the dealer tomorrow. They should have a box of K&L o-rings that should fit. the bad new is that I got careless and lost the washers on the rod on the left side. Got the long spring, but but lost the washer on top and bottom of the plate under the spring and Honda, again, doesn't list them. Just the whole rod. While I am ordering I will get #10 washer/seal also.

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Re: airbox off and bike will not start

Post by bellboy40 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:13 am

Well I am impressed! :o You got those carbs pulled out a lot faster than I did. Good luck in your search for the little o-rings.



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