Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing


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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by Ravyn » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:11 pm



bigsteveswing wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:23 am
Ravyn wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:57 pm


Bigsteve.....

I have a 1994 gl1500 with a CSC friendship 3 mounted to it. You said something about riding it ? Do you have the sidecar mounted? Most but not all rigs have a 4.5 or 6 degree triple tree added that reduces your trail so the bike will steer easier with the car. If this has been done to yours then be very careful if you ride it without the sidecar attached. That reduced trail will make it very twitchy and it can go into a serious head shake. It is not recomended to ride a bike with those triple trees installed. Also it should have a 2 inch longer fork tubes to bring the bike back to level if the trees were installed. Some of the fork tubes were replaced as a complete unit and some simply had a 2 inch extension installed. This will also increase the amount of oil you need in your front forks. About 30 cc's more seems to be about right. And there will be a 2 inch insert that sits on top of the fork. Also does your side car have electric tilt or electric lean as some call it. Do you know who installed the car and what brand it is. Rigs are a lot of fun once you get past quirks of a sidecar. The electric tilt will make it so much better.
You can contact Jay at DMC sidecars out here in Washington state and he will talk you through just about anything. dmcsidecars.com
Also the forum, United side car Association, Is a good forum to check out but it seems to be down for maintenance or something. sidecar.com
Ravyn...

Thank you for the information.

I do not have the sidecar mounted currently. I did go out for a small ride Wednesday, everything worked as expected, I need more practice but that is another topic.
I am not sure what model the sidecar is, I know it is a CSC brand, if I recall it was originally on a gl1200. I can post pics or give details as to it's construction, if someone could identify the model that would be great. My grandpa bought it used and he and my uncle mounted it to the bike. My uncle owned a welding and fabricating business for years and he and I are both post-secondary welding instructors now. I remember when they put it on they had bunches of papers with the measurements needed. I am pretty confident that the bike was not changed other than mounting points. I know the bike was ridden with the sidecar off in the past (sidecar got a flat and they took it off and trailered it home, rode the bike home). The sidecar has a manual lean lever, no electric. I intend to put the sidecar back on in the spring and take the free PA state 3 wheel training course just for the added experience.
Hi Bigsteve, I was looking at the pics you posted and from what I can see it does not look like the triple trees were changed. It doesn't look like they are angled out far enough to the front. If not it will be a little more difficult to turn especially in slow corners. If you could post some side view shots of the bike I might be able to tell you. Also most of the makers of those triple trees had there name on the top of the top triple tree, but not all did that. I'm glad you have at least a manual tilt control. That will help you with road crown and strong cross winds. I know the guys at , sidecar.com or Jay at DMC will be able to identify that car. If that rig is set up right as far as toe in and sidecar wheel lead and you trim it with your manual tilt you should be damn near able to take your hands off the bars and it will go straight down the road, at least for a short time anyway. No pulling left or right. If you are always fighting the handlebars to make it go straight then something needs to be changed and it wont be much fun to drive.

Here's mine.





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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by bigsteveswing » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:31 pm

These are some more of the pics I took the day I brought the bike home
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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by bigsteveswing » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:08 pm

I know it's been a while since I have added anything new to this thread. So here is a current update. I posted some in the how-to section about removing my saddlebags and then flipping the trunk up. Today I removed the rear wheel, new tires will be here Monday :D Also changed final drive oil and air shock oil. Replaced junk shock boot with Monroe universal part, think it will work pretty good. I'm not very good at taking pics until I finish for the day so here's what I did take.
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New shock boot
New shock boot


Everything apart
Everything apart


Pile of parts, kind of organized
Pile of parts, kind of organized


Trunk flipped up for easier access
Trunk flipped up for easier access


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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by TwoTone Trike » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:58 pm

Hey bigsteve looks like you got your work cut out for you. But it will all be well worth it when you're done.

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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by bigsteveswing » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:49 am

I would like to start saying a HUGE shout out to WingAdmin for the wonderful how-to on changing rear tire, without that I don't know how I would have done it. I am very mechanically inclined but just all the little tips make everything easier.

Anyway, got the new rear tire on yesterday and all buttoned up. Pretty proud of myself for doing it right and everything going back together the way it should (no extra bolts) :lol:

I also redid some wiring with some two wire waterproof connectors from Amazon. Now the saddlebags can be taken off without cutting wires, not sure why nobody in my family thought the bags would need to come off...ever. Happily everything still works as it should (I am not electrically inclined) :? One of the tiny round accent lights on the back did not work. Disassembled it and found one lead of the bulb was broken. Ordered 10 new "grain of wheat bulbs" and soldered a new one in, that's about as intricate as I've ever soldered. Yeah it worked.

Last thing I did this morning was to rewire the spoiler lights to come on with brakes instead of just being running lights. Someday i will get a brake light flasher installed too.

Now to start disassembling the front for new tire. Sidecar tire was delivered yesterday too :)
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New tire installed
New tire installed


New male connector
New male connector


New female connector
New female connector


All buttoned back up
All buttoned back up


All lit up
All lit up


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1980 Honda cx500 turbo..."SOLD" My latest bike is a 1994 GL1500SE, side car rig.

Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by Ravyn » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:24 am

Nice work on the rig :-)
Check out this link. There are more different kinds of side cars here then you can imagine.
751 pages of them.........
https://advrider.com/f/threads/sidecars ... 4/page-751

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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by bigsteveswing » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:42 am

Ravyn wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:24 am
Nice work on the rig :-)
Check out this link. There are more different kinds of side cars here then you can imagine.
751 pages of them.........
https://advrider.com/f/threads/sidecars ... 4/page-751
Thank you, wow that's quite the variety...
I did find out that mine is not a CSC but in fact it is a Motorvation Formula II. Reason I thought it was CSC was the cover I found inside. Grandad must have just bought that seperately.

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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by bigsteveswing » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:46 am

Here is clip of the brake light redo, making the spoiler lights into brake lights. Someday I will get a modulator for then, but this should help some with getting attention.




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1980 Honda cx500 turbo..."SOLD" My latest bike is a 1994 GL1500SE, side car rig.

Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by Ravyn » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:17 am

Yup, that should get the cagers attention. Mine has trunk spoiler with a narrow bar of led lites the width of the top trunk . They are pretty bright.

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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by bigsteveswing » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:45 pm

Did a little more the last couple days, planning to mount the sidecar on Friday :D

Changed some bulbs to LED and added strobe flasher, not all wired up yet but I like it.




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Re: Resurrecting Grandpa's Wing

Post by bigsteveswing » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:07 am

Finished last of current mods, ready to put sidecar on this weekend. Installed fairing and trunk light flashers from Cyclemax.






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