88 GL1500 sticking clutch


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88 GL1500 sticking clutch

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Hi everyone. I can’t even begin to say how valuable this forum has already been to me. Thank you all for all of your posts and knowledge. I purchased an 88 Wing that is a little bit of a fixer upper. Always wanted a 1500 and the price was right with this one. I have it running and rideable for the most part. I am having an issue with the clutch not disengaging when cold. Even if it sits overnight most of the time the first attempt at putting it into gear results in an engine kill. Today it took 3 tries before it broke free. Clutch lever feels great and once it breaks free it seems normal. The old oil was nasty and have since changed it with synthetic. It did this before the change and after but have only put a few miles on it since the change. I don’t want to keep doing this for fear of hurting first gear. Any ideas of what to check? Handgrips are a bit large foam ones and am planning on changing those out so maybe it will allow me to pull the clutch a bit further? Thank you all for taking the time.



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Re: 88 GL1500 sticking clutch

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Have you tried bleeding the clutches?

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I have not tried that yet. They feel completely normal and once they break free they continue to work fine. ???

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Re: 88 GL1500 sticking clutch

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Probably just a leftover from the old oil.. If you can pull the clutch and zip tie it back to the handlebar, then start the bike and let it run "in gear" on the centrestand. Do that a few times and possibly change the oil again - it will loosen up - the plates have probably got some sludge build up on them.

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Thank you very much for that tip. I will do that too. I did just go bleed the clutch and bled it though enough to completely change out the DOT4 fluid in it. It was dirty too so was for sure time for some new stuff. I also took off the hand grip on that side to assure I was able to get full travel out of the lever. Thanks again. Will let everyone know what the results are. Need to get it out on the road soon.

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I would recommend,

Change oil, put some cheap stuff like Walmart supertech 15w40 in it.
Add Seafoam.
Run for a few days then change the oil and filter again with good oil after warming up engine so it all comes out.

Seafoam will clean up some of the gunk that may be stuck in there.

Before each oil change going forward put some Seafoam in the oil and run it a a day or so before changing the oil. This will help keep it clean inside.

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Good advise also. I did neglect to mention that I did run seafoam in it for about 30 min before I changed the oil. Since this is a wet clutch will it be ok to run a non motorcycle oil in it for that short time to clean it all out? Always have run MC oil in wet clutches but maybe a short time wouldn’t hurt anything? Thanks guys.

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Re: 88 GL1500 sticking clutch

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As long as it doesn't have friction modifiers in it or what they call energy conserving.

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Just wanted to give my latest update to this issue. After sitting all winter long I have had no sticking clutch issues since following everyones advise. Think the seafoam and just a couple oil changes did the trick. I have since talked to several people with bikes other than wings and it can be a common problem for a bike that sits for an extended period... Once again thank you all for your help. You guys are great. Safe riding.

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I would like to do that to my 1990 SE. How much Seefoam do you add? Do you remove any oil?
Thanks.

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Elmobile wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:10 pm
I would like to do that to my 1990 SE. How much Seefoam do you add? Do you remove any oil?
Thanks.
If the oil level is low already, and adding the can of Seafoam doesn't take it above the full mark on the dipstick, then you don't need to. Otherwise, drain half a quart before adding the Seafoam.

I use one full can of Seafoam in the crankcase.

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Exactly. I buy seafoam in the gallon and I measured out about 1/2 quart and that seemed to do it.

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Thanks, seems to work. I’ve adjusted the oil level including Seafoam to the dipstick marks and shifting is a lot better. I have some synthetic oil ready to go once I put some mileage on the bike.
Now if I could only figured out why my rear brake locks up after awhile! I rebuilt the master cylinder and I am sure I cleaned the return hole. I have brand new SS lines as well. Need to check my caliper pistons. May be one of them is sticking. They were not the best but I was hoping they would work for now. Are they still available? Will put new seals at the same time.
I really do not want to go back at the master cylinder...

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My calipers were also sticking.Actually so much that I couldn't get the bike off the trailer when I got it home. Meticulous cleaning of the pistons,caliper housing and under the seal resolved the problems (all 3 of them).Always be certain that the Piston slides to the bottom of the caliper easily before you do the final assembly.It should take just two thumb pressure to reassemble it pushing the Piston all the way in with the seal installed.Use brake fluid as a assembly lube.
Completely flush all the old brake fluid from the lines.

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Thanks Virgil,
I am good for the fluid. First thing I did when I got the bike and I just rebuilt the master and replaced the lines. Can’t say that I did the best job on the rear caliper. I start with it and see what happened.

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I used some 0000 steel wool to clean the Piston and caliper housing.A brass hook tool to clean the crusty junk under the seal.Careful not gouge the aluminium.

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Will do. Let you know if that does it when i am done...

Brass hook? Where am I going to find that in my neck of the wood! :shock:

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Ok...use a piece of #10 solid copper wire.Trim the end and bend it.Just don't scrape it out with a screwdriver.

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IF as suggested to use some copper wire - on the end you use for the scraper - flatten the end with a hammer - like a mini hoe with a 90 degree bend in the wire - works well.

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just normal regular seafoam?

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Good idea. Will make a scrapper out of electrical wire. #10 or #12.
Regular Seafoam will do. The label state that it can be used in transmission. 30 ml per litre of oil or 120ml for the GL. Wing admin suggested a complete can. I only put half. Putting the level as per the oil stick, positively improved the shifting. Let you know what the oil looked like when I change it.

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I can confirm that my shifting significantly improved by setting the oil level as per the oil stick. I put a bit more mileage on it and will change the oil.
I am still having an issue with the rear brake but will open another tread to address it...

Thanks again for the valuable input.



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