Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure


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Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by oldmopars » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:35 pm



So, I got this SE about 3-4 weeks ago and I have put a little over 1000 miles on it on both Hwy and twisty back roads. On the Hwy it does OK, but on the back roads the handling is just sub-par. I have the air in the tires set to 41 and 44, I have played with the rear shock air settings and it still just does not handle like I think it should.
Well, a few months ago I bought 2 Goldwings, a 1984 Aspencade and a 1989 1500. The 1200 is good and I will sell it, the 1500 is a running bike, but ugly. More of a parts bike. I took the seat off and it has Progressive rear shocks, and I assume fork springs.
Has anyone rebuilt or refreshed a set of Progressive 416 shocks?



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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by minimac » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:50 am

The brand of tires will also play a huge part in how the machine handles. All brands are not created equal.

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by RBGERSON » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:13 am

pressure seems a bit high..
HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by Rednaxs60 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:11 pm

oldmopars wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:35 pm
So, I got this SE about 3-4 weeks ago and I have put a little over 1000 miles on it on both Hwy and twisty back roads. On the Hwy it does OK, but on the back roads the handling is just sub-par. I have the air in the tires set to 41 and 44, I have played with the rear shock air settings and it still just does not handle like I think it should.
Well, a few months ago I bought 2 Goldwings, a 1984 Aspencade and a 1989 1500. The 1200 is good and I will sell it, the 1500 is a running bike, but ugly. More of a parts bike. I took the seat off and it has Progressive rear shocks, and I assume fork springs.
Has anyone rebuilt or refreshed a set of Progressive 416 shocks?
The Progressive 416 series air shocks are the same for all the 1500s. Learned this because I installed new this summer on the 1500 I bought. If there is a serial number contact Progressive to determine age of shocks, if not probably get a rebuild kit directly from Progressive. Even if nothing is done to them, they should be better than OEM considering the OEM has an air assist shock on right side and a non-air shock on the left. The right OEM air shock is for load carrying, the left does all the dampening.

Don't assume on the front fork springs. With the age of the bike I'd change the oil in the front forks and consider replacing bushings and seals, freshen up the front end. Once the forks are rebuilt and the springs are upgraded a fork brace to supplement the rebuild/upgrade is recommended. I will mention that, IMHO, that a fork brace without doing a suspension upgrade is treating symptoms and not the root cause.

I run 40 PSI - give or take a bit - Elite 3 - and works well. Will have new tires next year.

Just a few thoughts to consider.

Good luck.
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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:53 pm

RBGERSON wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:13 am
pressure seems a bit high..
I disagree with that, when the tire pressure drops below 41 psi, the handling is a low worse.
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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by oldmopars » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:20 pm

So, I got out there today and pulled the rear 416's off the parts bike. I will be looking into a rebuild kit for them. As for the fronts, I have not pulled them and so I do not know yet if they were replaced or not.
My plan is to rebuild the rear 416's and install them. I will then pull the fork springs out of the parts bike to see what they are. If they are Progressive, I will install them in the 96 SE when I rebuild the forks. If they are stock, I will just rebuild the stock set up.
No matter what, I will be rebuilding the forks on the 96 SE. The brace may have to wait, short on cash right now, but maybe for Christmas.

I do have a question though. The parts bike is an 89 and has no Schrader valves on the top of the forks, the 96 does. Would there be any difference in the stock springs between the 89 and 96? Would one be stiffer?

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by RockportDave » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:32 pm

oldmopars wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:35 pm
So, I got this SE about 3-4 weeks ago and I have put a little over 1000 miles on it on both Hwy and twisty back roads. On the Hwy it does OK, but on the back roads the handling is just sub-par. I have the air in the tires set to 41 and 44, I have played with the rear shock air settings and it still just does not handle like I think it should.
Well, a few months ago I bought 2 Goldwings, a 1984 Aspencade and a 1989 1500. The 1200 is good and I will sell it, the 1500 is a running bike, but ugly. More of a parts bike. I took the seat off and it has Progressive rear shocks, and I assume fork springs.
Has anyone rebuilt or refreshed a set of Progressive 416 shocks?
My 1999 was “sluggish” when I got it. It is stock forks, springs and rear shocks with newer G3’s. I changed the fork oil, added a Blackwing fork brace and run 45 psi in the rear shock checked on centerstand and 41 psi in the tires. Running 2 up it handles totally different now. It is very responsive and does not follow snakes or grooves in the road.
Dave
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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by oldmopars » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:40 pm

Anyone know how to get a Blackwing fork brace? I have searched and can not find a source for them. Do they have a web site? I only found a facebook link, but I don't have facebook.

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:18 pm

http://wingstuff.com/products/3917-supe ... for-gl1500

https://www.ebay.com/p/Honda-Goldwing-G ... 1839904533

this looks pretty much the same, they have to fit the same exact OEM fixture.

your computer doesn't have google.com on it?
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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by oldmopars » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:24 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:18 pm
http://wingstuff.com/products/3917-supe ... for-gl1500

https://www.ebay.com/p/Honda-Goldwing-G ... 1839904533

this looks pretty much the same, they have to fit the same exact OEM fixture.

your computer doesn't have google.com on it?
I found the same things. The first is a Super Brace, not a Blackwing Brace, they are different, very different. The second is just a place holder, but it says they are sold out, no info on how to get one or contact of the company.
I spent a good 20 minutes on google last night and found very little.
This is the best lead I found to get the BLACKWING fork brace: https://ranchocucamonga.americanlisted. ... 05549.html

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:48 pm

I spent a good 20 minutes on google last night and found very little.
This is the best lead I found to get the BLACKWING fork brace: https://ranchocucamonga.americanlisted. ... 05549.html

I added that link to my Bookmarks, it sounds like the one that was on my '98SE
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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by NOVAwing » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:06 pm

oldmopars wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:24 pm
AZgl1800 wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:18 pm
http://wingstuff.com/products/3917-supe ... for-gl1500

https://www.ebay.com/p/Honda-Goldwing-G ... 1839904533

this looks pretty much the same, they have to fit the same exact OEM fixture.

your computer doesn't have google.com on it?
I found the same things. The first is a Super Brace, not a Blackwing Brace, they are different, very different. The second is just a place holder, but it says they are sold out, no info on how to get one or contact of the company.
I spent a good 20 minutes on google last night and found very little.
This is the best lead I found to get the BLACKWING fork brace: https://ranchocucamonga.americanlisted. ... 05549.html
I Pm'd you the makers info. Idk why I didnt post it here, he is in business after all lol.

Lester Forsythe
Cfourcnc@gmail.com
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He is on fakebook, got his info there, even though im not on fakebook lol.

His info is also on this sight somewhere in a thread because thats where i found out about him being on fakebook.
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Post by bellboy40 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:43 pm

I found this on facebook. I didn't see any recent posts so I'm not sure he is still making these. Here is the email and phone number that is on the facebook page.

blackwingmp@gmail.com
(714) 743-3574

Blackwing Motorcycle Products
2921 E Miraloma Ave, Ste 15
Anaheim, California

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by oldmopars » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:57 pm

Well, it looks like I do not need the Blackwing brace. I was looking at my 96 SE and it already has a brace on it. It looks like a SuperBrace, it it is made by Trikes Unlimited, or at least it is engraved with that logo.
So, while I would rather have the Blackwing, I am on too tight of budget to be picky.

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by Mh434 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:29 pm

A few days ago, my wife & I went for a ride on our GL1500SE. Within a block I figured I had a flat rear tire - the bike was very soft & squidgey in turns, wouldn't track, and felt, well, squirrely.

Back to my shop, found both tires at 41 psi. So, not the problem.

Up on sidestand, found the rear shock pressure down at 1.5 kPa (about 21 psi).

Bumped it back up to 3kPa (around 42.6 psi), and the bike was back to feeling solid & planted.

The rear shock pressure makes a BIG difference in the handling, all by itself.

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by RockportDave » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:55 pm

After realizing 25 psi wasn’t enough for 2 up, I started putting 45 psi in the rear shock on the center stand which is 70ish check with my wife and I on it. Handles very well at that pressure.
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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by NOVAwing » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:57 pm

About 45psi in the rear shocks, set while on the centerstand, seems to be what most of us are using.

Mine stays this way at all times.

Im 250lbs + little wife 135lbs.
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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:45 am

on both of my 1500s, I carried 57 psi in the rear shock, all the time, and was always solo.
I weighed about #270 at the time.

still do says the doctor's scale this morning :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by oldmopars » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:06 am

So, is this with the stock shock? Would you run the same pressure with a Progressive 416? Because there are 2 of them(that hold air), I would think the same 46 PSI would be stiffer or raise the rear up more. 2 shock=more lifting power, 1 air shock, 1 non-air shock less lifting power with the same air pressure, right?

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Re: Disappointed with 96 SE, but may have a cure

Post by Rednaxs60 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:53 am

I run about 150-170 Kpa solo (about 21-25 PSI)depending on how exact I want to be and about 320 Kpa (46 PSI) two up. Wingadmin got me in this ball park, he uses 20 PSI solo and 30-35 with a passenger. Both of us have the Progressive 416 series air shocks.


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