Ignition key


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Ignition key

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Help.
Went to start my 90 1500 to put it up for the winter, it is cold in nh.
I had it running this afternoon and now the key wont turn-period.
I pot a heat lamp on it for 20 minutes and heated the key thinking its frozen, but now i fear its stuck(?).
Any help? I cant force it, only one key!!



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did you try pushing down on the key? it may have got in the steering lock position , if not i would try some W-D 40 and let it soak a bit then try again. hope that works for you.

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Ive never locked the forks in the 4 yrs ive had it, disgusted tonight, ill try again tomorrow
Thanks

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Put your key in it and whack it with a small hammer, slight taps on top of the key. Ive done that to keys that get suddenly stuck.

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I actually thought of that, tried with the palm of my hand but i knew that was useless, ill give it a shot tomorrow.
Thank you

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The idea is to shock the key into submission. Lol.
But joking aside it needs to be shocked loose. It happens on my f150 from time to time and on my roadstar once

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If you have a spare key, try with that too.

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Wick some graphite oil into the lock mechanism along the back bone of the key. Lock-Ease is a good lock lubricant.


Then jiggle the key in and out a bit and attempt to turn the key/ignition switch. Be patient.
If it is the pins in the lock that is causing the problem, jiggling the key with the lubricant in the cylinder may help a lot.

I don't advise giving the key a "wack" with a heavy object. Maybe light taps with a lightweight object while trying to turn the key.
If you think getting the key to turn and then come out of the switch is tough, wait until you have to replace the whole switch. That is a pretty big job.
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If you already have a key stuck in the lock - what is the use of having a second key - you can't put it in the lock as well... :D

I would try the WD40 or penetrating oil - a bit of heat and a good wiggle. It should come out - unless something else has jammed in there with it.

Happened to me on a road trip earlier this year - pulled into a service station to fuel up - turned the bike off obviously. then when I went to put the key in - it would not go into the lock all the way and remained poking out about 1/4 inch from fully seated. Seems like the small plastic protection piece (stops dirt and debris entering) which is sort of spring loaded - it had fallen to pieces (age most likely). So I had to push the bike off to a safe area then try to pick the pieces of the plastic out of the barrel - thank goodness the barrel is horizontal and not vertical on the Valkyrie. Still took me 15 minutes with a borrowed hair pin to gouge it all out - got even more out when I got home and doused it with WD40.

Hopefully this is not your problem...

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Common sense guys. I doubt somebody is gonna go at it with a sledge hammer.

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The key is not stuck in the ignition, it just simply won't turn on, the key will not turn. I had it running five hours prior, and then when I went to move it later in the evening the ignition just simply will not turn! I'll try WD-40 but for some reason I just don't have a lot of faith

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Aussie81Interstate wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:16 am
If you already have a key stuck in the lock - what is the use of having a second key - you can't put it in the lock as well... :D

I would try the WD40 or penetrating oil - a bit of heat and a good wiggle. It should come out - unless something else has jammed in there with it.

Happened to me on a road trip earlier this year - pulled into a service station to fuel up - turned the bike off obviously. then when I went to put the key in - it would not go into the lock all the way and remained poking out about 1/4 inch from fully seated. Seems like the small plastic protection piece (stops dirt and debris entering) which is sort of spring loaded - it had fallen to pieces (age most likely). So I had to push the bike off to a safe area then try to pick the pieces of the plastic out of the barrel - thank goodness the barrel is horizontal and not vertical on the Valkyrie. Still took me 15 minutes with a borrowed hair pin to gouge it all out - got even more out when I got home and doused it with WD40.

Hopefully this is not your problem...
I had this exact problem with the lock cylinder on my GL1500 gas flap. The little plastic protector bit broke off and fell into the lock. I ended up having to pry the flap open with a tool, removing and replacing the lock cylinder, because there was no getting that little piece of plastic out.

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Tpawre wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:48 am
The key is not stuck in the ignition, it just simply won't turn on, the key will not turn. I had it running five hours prior, and then when I went to move it later in the evening the ignition just simply will not turn! I'll try WD-40 but for some reason I just don't have a lot of faith
Don't use WD-40. It leaves behind an oily film once the carrier evaporates (by design, used to prevent corrosion). This is great for some things, but it's TERRIBLE for locks. The oily good will bind up the tiny springs and pins inside the lock, and you'll end up with a lock that either won't work, or won't let go of your key. It might not happen today, but it will happen.

Use a solvent that evaporates completely - brake cleaner is a good one. That will flush any goo or dirt out of there. If that does the trick, follow it up with some graphite spray, which will leave an excellent lubricating layer in the lock.

Likely what's happened is some dirt or oil has gotten up in one of the pin passages, and one of the pins is stuck, blocking the cylinder shear line, so it won't turn.

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The same thing happened to me yesterday on the trunk lock. The key would go in, but would not turn. I shot silicone spray in the lock using the small red tube on the can. Ran the key in and out several times and it works great now. I also gave all the locks a shot of silicone spray afterwards and they all work better.
Also, as soon as you can, have some spares made. I had 2 made at Ace Hardware. They had the blanks in stock. Mine are ilco x84 HD74. Less than $10 for both. One key I have hidden on the bike, the other is on my truck key ring. The main bike key is on it’s own key ring.
Hope it works out.
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My key blank is HD75. The slot is on the other side of the key when looking at it like your picture.

Goldwing key HD75
Goldwing key HD75


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OK fellas, I got my key to turn. Before I gave up last night I gave little small shot of WD-40. This morning went out with a heat lamp again and no luck. I talked to my cousin who is a Honda tech and had no technical advice but it was his experience to top the keys for and afte I talked to my cousin who is a Honda tech and had no technical advice but it was his experience to tap the key for and aft. Still no luck! I took my trusty screwdriver and put it in just a hair, not into the tumblers but just enough to be inside. I wiggled and turned not forcing anything. I put the key back in and really put effort into turning it and it turned but was incredibly stiff. Turned it on and off several times and now seems to be working fine. Thank you for all the help and advice

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I'm glad you got it sorted out.
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Thanks, leaves and two motorcycles today, plowin tomorrow!

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Make sure you flush the lock with some degreaser or other spray material - INOX is a favourite used by locksmiths. Glad it came out.

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bellboy40 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:31 am
My key blank is HD75. The slot is on the other side of the key when looking at it like your picture.Goldwing key.JPG
It’s my understanding they are HD74 or HD75 depending on left hand or right hand. It seems year model doesn’t matter.
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RockportDave wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:21 pm

It’s my understanding they are HD74 or HD75 depending on left hand or right hand. It seems year model doesn’t matter.
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Yes, the different numbers on the blank depend upon which type of key you have. You need to match your key with the blank.

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Now that you have it moving again, I'd definitely recommend using graphite lock lubricant on it, and turn it off & on a bunch of times to work it into the tumblers. You probably had a tumbler pin jammed out of position, which will certainly stop the key from turning. The graphite, following lots of key turning, will lubricate all the pins so this won't happen again.

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Good advice, i think also a new key in the spring

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If you have an original key you can take it to a locksmith and they can 'punch out' a new one from the number on the key shank, (a three digit figure), like my 62 Aspencade, "D32". I had a new generic blank key punched out perfectly in about 3 minutes. It took the HD75 blank.
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Charlie1Horse wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:12 pm
...like my 62 Aspencade, "D32"...
Must be a typo....


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