What would you stick in here?


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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by Stew » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:13 pm



How about a new version of this being made from two pieces? Not sure if that's what others were getting at in the above posts, but how about vacuum mold the top visible piece where you mount the gauges and 3D print an underside structure piece with the posts and use an ABS glue like black plumbers cement to bond them together? Don't know much about either of these processes so I don't know if that's practical or not.


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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by bluthundr31 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:15 pm

Good info and GREAT follow up Craig!!!

A fire destroying the molds?? He DID mention a fire at the friends' shop but I believed the truck driver drove off with the molds , , , , ,tragic turn of events but same result, , , getting ahold the original molds is impossible.

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by Sadanorakman » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:41 pm

And Dayle was good enough to reply one more time... Apparently the molds were steel, which kind of makes me wonder why they didn't survive the fire, but there you go.
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by bluthundr31 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:05 pm

STEEL??? Wow, , they must've weighed close to 75 lbs!!! 11.5" X 9.5" X 5.5" was my guess for the dim's of those molds, , thats adding 1" per side for top/bottom/left/right. I initially planned on buying them and flying them home in my luggage, , , that would've been a big mistake.

UPDATE: Just for giggles, the internet says 1 cubic inch of steel weighs .2904 lbs, , ,using my best guess on the size of the molds, , ,those dam things would weigh 175 lbs!!! No way would it fly home in my luggage. Those would be a bugger to get home other than FedEx or UPS ground. I hadn't counted on that.
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by Sadanorakman » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:18 pm

75lbs (34 kg) would go in a check-in bag, the mold would Have been in at least two pieces, so could have been split for shipping.

Anyway, if it's gone it's gone! Still weird that it would have been destroyed in the fire though.
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by Sadanorakman » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:02 am

So, I was wondering if I could take a mold of this pristine panel I have, and then buy a second-hand injection molder...

Suffice to say I know a lot more about injection molding now I've researched it, and I think I'm on a hiding to nothing trying to move forward with this without paying out thousands for tooling, which I'm not about to do:

-ABS is injected at around 200 degrees centigrade, so a normal resin mold is no good (similar melting point), or a different plastic would have to be used.
-High temperature mold resin is available that will go up to around 280 degrees centigrade, but I haven't found a supplier for it. A resin mold would also wear very quickly, so may only yield a handful of parts.
-The plastic has to be injected at reasonably high pressures in order to fill the mold correctly; something that may not be possible with a home-brew injection set-up.
-An aluminium mold could probably be prepared by a DIYer, but this woud require immense effort...

Making an aluminium mold as follows might work....
I have done some sand casting in the past, and was watching with glee last night someone build their own furnace from a steel bucket and plaster of Paris!

-Build a small home-brew furnace from a steel bucket and plaster of Paris:


-Build a propane burner from plumbing parts to heat said furnace:


-create a silicone rubber two-part mold from the original part
-use the silicon mold to create a clay or plaster copy of the original part
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-finish the mold by milling, and build clamp to hold both pieces together
-sort out the whole aspect of an injection machine to use with the mold.

...A nice winter project for someone!!!
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by WingAdmin » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:18 am

I know quite a bit about injection molding as I paid to have some designed and produced many years ago for another company that I had started up. Real, production injection molds are machined from very high quality steel using CNC equipment, to incredibly exact tolerances, and cost a LOT of money. There is a lot of engineering that goes into them - they're not just a space where plastic is injected - there are flow channels, ejection pins, alignment pins, and more, all of which are engineered and built into the molds.

Quality molds made in the USA are tens of thousands of dollars, and the price goes up exponentially with the size involved.

Lesser quality molds made in China cost less, and you will get much poorer quality as a result.

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by Sadanorakman » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:58 am

Thanks for your input WingAdmin yes I can appreciate that there needs to be alignment pins and the molten plastic requires ingress and egress points... It's got to make it all the way around the mold...

The one thing I wonder though:

The original mold for this part was clearly milled on the surface that produced the part's underside, which you can clearly see by looking at the part. I wonder though how they got the texture into the part of the mold that produces the top surface of the part... This leathery appearance is not something that can be CNC milled I think!
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by WingAdmin » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:17 pm

Sadanorakman wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:58 am
Thanks for your input WingAdmin yes I can appreciate that there needs to be alignment pins and the molten plastic requires ingress and egress points... It's got to make it all the way around the mold...

The one thing I wonder though:

The original mold for this part was clearly milled on the surface that produced the part's underside, which you can clearly see by looking at the part. I wonder though how they got the texture into the part of the mold that produces the top surface of the part... This leathery appearance is not something that can be CNC milled I think!
Many different methods. Shot peening, or sometimes if it's large enough it can be milled, but the most common method is chemical (usually acid) etching. Patterns can be created using resist layers, similar to etching a printed circuit board.

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by tamathumper » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:44 pm

I've built CNC carving machines, and the software I use (Vectric) can create any pattern in a surface you like so long as you can get a picture of it. It can even randomize it to some degree. A leather texture would be no problem.
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by bluthundr31 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:03 pm

Interesting, , I toyed with the idea of a laser scan that produces a "file" of the part. I was leaning toward an ".STP" or an ".STL" file. Would either of those "format types" work with the software you have, , , , or would it need to be converted into a file that the software understands?

I've moved on from that idea though, ,however if a scan could be done, it would last forever, waiting to be plugged into a CNC tool or "carving tool".

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by tamathumper » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:06 pm

Yes, that software will import 3D formats. You could use the David Laser Scanner and see what you get.
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by dash88 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:45 am

volt temp gauges in my 96 1500se

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by Sadanorakman » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:44 am

dash88 wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:45 am
volt temp gauges in my 96 1500se
Care to attach a picture for us please? Regards. Craig.
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by thomba » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:09 am

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by captdecker » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:50 pm

Looks like a good place to put an TPMS and the remote for a GoPro.

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by dash88 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:47 am

here you go





Sadanorakman wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:44 am
dash88 wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:45 am
volt temp gauges in my 96 1500se
Care to attach a picture for us please? Regards. Craig.

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by Sadanorakman » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:14 am

That's brilliant thank you.
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by bluthundr31 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:27 am

Dash88, , ,it looks like that is a "color-matched" panel AND it has the Firecreek gauges. It looks really good, and fits seamlessly with the appearance of the bike. Did you get the gauges at the same time you got the panel, or did they come later? Would you be willing to tell us when you got it, , , and approximately how much it cost new?

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by dash88 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:12 am

it was on the bike when i bought it last june, i thought it was stock it looks so good guess not



bluthundr31 wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:27 am
Dash88, , ,it looks like that is a "color-matched" panel AND it has the Firecreek gauges. It looks really good, and fits seamlessly with the appearance of the bike. Did you get the gauges at the same time you got the panel, or did they come later? Would you be willing to tell us when you got it, , , and approximately how much it cost new?

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by tamathumper » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:33 am

With the appropriate dimensions, any number of guys still in "the business" over at www.joescnc.com could carve the molds out of wood, acetal/delrin/acrylic/lexan, or even aluminum. My machine is currently disassembled or I'd have a go.
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by CWN » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:26 pm

Best accessory ever made for the 1500 :<)
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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by bluthundr31 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:55 pm

I just heard from the vendor that is making these panels for me. The vendor was only able to make 60% of my original order so the number of panels is even less than I expected. ALL of my original order was expected to be completed AND in my hands by Christmas time so a few of you would have a nice Xmas present for your bikes. It's already getting late, so I told the vendor to ship the 60% and they are scheduled (via UPS) to arrive Christmas Eve (12/24/18).

I'll be notifying the members who PM'd me of their interest AS SOON AS THEY ARRIVE.

Sorry guys, I had hoped to have a decent supply of these panels "in-hand" and available. I did the best I could.

I SAW PICTURES OF THE PANELS, AND THEY LOOK GREAT!!!

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by bluthundr31 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:19 am

This is the UNOBTAINIUM 2.0 Ignition/gauge panel for all years of the GL1500 produced from the "Firecreek" concept/style. Minor modifications were made for production to improve durability of material and strengthen bosses.

THESE PANELS ARE GREAT FOR MOUNTING GAUGES AND ACCESSORIES SUCH AS, , VOLTMETERS/AMP GAUGE, AMBIENT TEMP, OIL TEMP, TPMS, COOLANT TEMP, GEAR INDICATOR, ADDITIONAL USB PORTS, INDICATOR LIGHTS, GO-PRO POWER, FM MODULATOR SWITCH AND MANY, MANY OTHER GADGETS.
THE WASTED SPACE BETWEEN THE CENTER-SHELTER AND THE DASH CAN NOW BE THE CENTER-PIECE OF YOUR GAUGE CLUSTER.
It comes in BLACK only, and there is only a few panels left. More panels will be arriving in January 2019.






Read the "Unobtainium" thread for more information, or PM me if interested in purchasing this panel

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Re: What would you stick in here?

Post by bellboy40 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:34 am

That is a nice looking piece. Have you got one installed yet?



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