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Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by mjsracing » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:23 am



Hello everyone,

I'm having an issue where every time I ride, I end up scraping the pegs around corners at moderate (40-60 mph) speeds. My air pressure is set to 55 lbs on the center stand. I weigh 195 lbs and stand 6"2" tall.

Probably I'm not doing it right, but this is the first bike I've had to slow down for curves on. This 2000 GL1500 SE is my first big bike. I'm more accustomed to supermoto and sport bikes on the pavement.

My concern is that I feel like I don't have much/any margin left and If I enter a turn a bit too fast or needed to dramatically tighten up the radius during a turn, the pegs will lever the rear tire up and ... probable high side.

I'm looking for suggestions to get a bit more lean angle, or maybe I just need to ride this bike differently?

Thanks for any suggestions!

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by Rednaxs60 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:22 am

How many miles on the bike? The suspension from the factory is good for a while but will get soft weak and need to be replaced. I'm a fan of a suspension upgrade because of this. Better for tire longevity and ride quality/performance.

When I bought my first GW, an 1800 (now ex-1800 - sold), the suspension was reportedly an issue as it went soft/weak after some 30K to 50K miles, replaced with Traxion. Did the same on my 1200 (still have it) when I bought it, suspension was one of the first changes - Race Tech product in the forks and Progressive non-air shocks in the rear. Did the suspension on my 1500 that I bought in July, Progressive fork springs and 416 shocks in the rear.

The suspension on the rear of your 1500 has one air shock and one non-air shock. Replacing these with Progressive 416 air shocks will make a significant difference. Matching this with Progressive fork springs in the front will further enhance the ride quality and performance.

Progressive is not the only supplier, but one of the most popular. Adding a fork brace after a suspension upgrade is also a good idea, stiffens the front end, but will not make up for a weak suspension.

You could also rebuild the air shock and replace the non-air shock as well, parts may be an issue don't know.

You won't be disappointed with this type of upgrade.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by mjsracing » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:53 am

Thanks for the suggestion about suspension updates. Bike has 11,900 miles on it. No sign of oil leakage or seepage on the forks or shocks.

My concern is that if I upgrade the shocks and fork springs, will it scrape any less and lean over farther in turns?

Perhaps there are reasonable options to raise the footage for more clearance?

The current handling is "plush". Railroad tracks are pretty smooth, especially compared to a sport bike.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:57 pm

I had the exact same issue on my 2000 GL1500 when I got it. Same problem on my 1100, as well, actually.

I put a set of Progressive 416's in the rear, and a set of Progressive springs in the front. It definitely made a difference. I can still scrape things on the ground, but nowhere near as often as I was doing before I replaced the suspension.

My 1100 was FAR worse - it had the original (!) springs on it, and they were so worn and sagged that the bike was in danger of falling over when on the sidestand! It would drag on the ground through practically any kind of turn. I put 416's on it as well, and the difference was immediate and drastic. I no longer worried about leaving it on the sidestand.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by Rednaxs60 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:24 pm

mjsracing wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:53 am
Thanks for the suggestion about suspension updates. Bike has 11,900 miles on it. No sign of oil leakage or seepage on the forks or shocks.

My concern is that if I upgrade the shocks and fork springs, will it scrape any less and lean over farther in turns?

Perhaps there are reasonable options to raise the footage for more clearance?

The current handling is "plush". Railroad tracks are pretty smooth, especially compared to a sport bike.
Do you have floorboards or pegs? Makes a difference - less hard part scraping. Even with low mileage such as yours, suspension gets soft after 18 or so years. Upgrade of the suspension will result in scraping hard parts less, and you will get the max ride quality and performance possible. The 1500 is never going to lean over like a sport bike, but can be quite enjoyable in the corners. Cheers
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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by mjsracing » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:38 pm

I have pegs. not floor boards. They appear to be Kuryakyn Iso Pegs.

Based on the advice I've gotten, I'm going to do the Progressive air shocks and rebuild the forks with Progressive spring and new OEM fork seals and bushings while I'm in there.

Still wondering about some sort of footage raising adapter, but I only lowering adapters.

Continued thanks fr the help!

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:37 pm

I used to have a '94SE with 57,000 miles on it when purchased.

Had to keep the rear shock aired up to 59 psi in order to prevent the foot pegs from scraping on street corners.
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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by C-dub » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:43 am

I am 6’ and about 205 lbs. my last bike before getting a Wing was a Hayabusa I had for 8 years. Definitely had to change riding style and habits.

I’ve scraped my pegs a few times, but less and less as I put the miles on and adjust.
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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by tnt9339 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:10 am

Dragging pegs just means you are using the whole tire. You paid for the whole thing, no point just using the center of it. :mrgreen:

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by Viking » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:28 am

I never had a 1500, but I have an 1800 that I bought brand new. I was scraping peg. I updated the suspension, and ride with it all the way up in the rear, and I still scrape peg. First year I had it I wore the acorn nuts right off the OEM pegs, and changed to a pair of Kuryakyns. This gave me about an extra quarter inch before I rub them, but rub them I do. I agree with a previous poster about using up the whole tire surface. I paid for it, I need to wear it out, and besides, pegs are cheap when compared to enjoyment. Also, they do tilt up when they hit pavement, so there is lots more room before the rear wheel is ever compromised.
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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by minimac » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:43 am

I had the same problem on my '93 with low miles. after going through the suspension upgrades, I found I'd still scrape the front of my boots. I learned to slow down a bit and enjoy the plush ride. It's a Goldwing-not a sport bike.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:41 pm

minimac wrote:
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I had the same problem on my '93 with low miles. after going through the suspension upgrades, I found I'd still scrape the front of my boots. I learned to slow down a bit and enjoy the plush ride. It's a Goldwing-not a sport bike.
I always have my feet cocked outward slightly in turns, so the first thing that hits the ground is the edge of the front of my boot. That's my "hey, you're about to hit your pegs" warning.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by mjsracing » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:41 pm

Update #1:

Replaced the rear shocks with Progressive Suspension 416-1633GLA. Quick test ride : Wow!

Much better all around. Pegs seem to be much farther from the pavement. Same roads, but no scraping. Makes the bike much more fun to ride.

Next task is to rebuild the front forks with Progressive Springs.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by Rednaxs60 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:54 pm

Once you get the suspension updated, install a Blackwing or Superbrace on the front forks, reduces twisting of the forks. I have the Superbrace, came with the bike, others swear by the Blackwing. A smaller improvement that complements the suspension upgrade.
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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:36 pm

mjsracing wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:41 pm
Update #1:

Replaced the rear shocks with Progressive Suspension 416-1633GLA. Quick test ride : Wow!

Much better all around. Pegs seem to be much farther from the pavement. Same roads, but no scraping. Makes the bike much more fun to ride.

Next task is to rebuild the front forks with Progressive Springs.
You'll probably notice the bike leans a little more on the sidestand now as well!

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:37 pm

Rednaxs60 wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:54 pm
Once you get the suspension updated, install a Blackwing or Superbrace on the front forks, reduces twisting of the forks. I have the Superbrace, came with the bike, others swear by the Blackwing. A smaller improvement that complements the suspension upgrade.
My bike came with a Superbrace on it. When I replaced it with a Blackwing brace, the improvement was tremendous - a complete transformation, especially in corners when going over bumps.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by Scooter363y » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:51 pm

I got to think the suspension is sacked out on your bike.

I have a 2014 that has 15k on the clock and I think it's ok for a normal size fellow but I'm just a little larger (6'1 285 and the wife is not small either). Both of us probably overload the suspension. I am wanting to upgrade to the progressive front kit with the two units to even out the forces in the forks.

My brother has a 1100 with about 25k on it. Before it drug in the gentlest of corners would barely stay on the side stand and the center stand was all but impossible to use. The only bike I think would drag the pegs pushing it around the garage. Yea it was that bad!

We replaced the springs with PS,rebuilt the front forks and replaced the rear air shocks and wow what a difference it made. Like a new bike, even better !

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by mjsracing » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:04 pm

After another short group ride today, and using the pivot shoes out so they hit first technique, I'm even more happy with the shock upgrade. Only scraped once, on a slow speed, sharp corner. Hope to be able to get the front done in the next week or so.

I really appreciate the advice and help form everyone. There is a certain technique to riding the GL1500 that I'm learning. The best advice was the opposite of my previous street/track riding -- move your feet outwards so they do rub the pavement on curves. Gives warning so you are not surprised when the pegs begin to scrape and lift.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:02 pm

mjsracing wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:04 pm
After another short group ride today, and using the pivot shoes out so they hit first technique, I'm even more happy with the shock upgrade. Only scraped once, on a slow speed, sharp corner. Hope to be able to get the front done in the next week or so.

I really appreciate the advice and help form everyone. There is a certain technique to riding the GL1500 that I'm learning. The best advice was the opposite of my previous street/track riding -- move your feet outwards so they do rub the pavement on curves. Gives warning so you are not surprised when the pegs begin to scrape and lift.
Just be careful doing this - I did this once on an aggressive turn (during an MSF ERC course no less), and found my left foot ripped off the footpeg and jammed up hard against the rear crash bar, spraining my ankle fairly good and bruising my heel. I wasn't expecting it and it surprised me, but I just straightened up and came to a stop. Finished the day, although by the end of it I wasn't upshifting well because it hurt too much. :)

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by Wingsconsin » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:43 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:02 pm
mjsracing wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:04 pm
After another short group ride today, and using the pivot shoes out so they hit first technique, I'm even more happy with the shock upgrade. Only scraped once, on a slow speed, sharp corner. Hope to be able to get the front done in the next week or so.

I really appreciate the advice and help form everyone. There is a certain technique to riding the GL1500 that I'm learning. The best advice was the opposite of my previous street/track riding -- move your feet outwards so they do rub the pavement on curves. Gives warning so you are not surprised when the pegs begin to scrape and lift.
Just be careful doing this - I did this once on an aggressive turn (during an MSF ERC course no less), and found my left foot ripped off the footpeg and jammed up hard against the rear crash bar, spraining my ankle fairly good and bruising my heel. I wasn't expecting it and it surprised me, but I just straightened up and came to a stop. Finished the day, although by the end of it I wasn't upshifting well because it hurt too much. :)
Agreed - I have a friend who broke his ankle by catching his toe of the boot on a wrinkle in the road surface-- it came off the peg -- and caught under the rear bar -- rode it home with a broken ankle... :shock:
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Post by dthorntonministries » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:56 am

you have to remember that it's not how high your suspension is set, it's about how much it compresses while you are turning. If your springs are getting weak, they will compress more when you are turning hard it speed. The higher your speed, the more spring compression you'll experience and the result is that your pegs will be closer to the pavement in the turn.

I've had Progressives on previous bikes and they work well to keep the bike from sinking in hard turns. I'm 77 and still enjoy hearing the pegs touch down occasionally.

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Post by C-dub » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:10 am

I still maintain that the riding style must adapt to the typ of bike one is riding. A Goldwing has some giddy up, but it is not a sport bike. Advertisements or commercials with professional riders may make it appear sporty, but it is still the Cadillac of motorcycles.

People don’t buy Goldwings for their speed or cornering ability.
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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by Wingsconsin » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:17 am

C-dub wrote:
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I still maintain that the riding style must adapt to the typ of bike one is riding. A Goldwing has some giddy up, but it is not a sport bike. Advertisements or commercials with professional riders may make it appear sporty, but it is still the Cadillac of motorcycles.

People don’t buy Goldwings for their speed or cornering ability.
I can agree with your sentiment - however - the Goldwing is a VERY capable motorcycle as well
Once properly set up it can be ridden pretty hard and corner awfully well --
My son is a very aggressive rider on his GL1800 and put a T120 Bonneville away this past summer on HY666 -
Both riders were above my ability or willingness to chase hard so they got away from me -
But peg scrapping and riding the motorcycle hard are not excluded when you own a Goldwing... :ugeek:

But -- you already knew that ... ;)
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Post by dthorntonministries » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:50 pm

I have to agree with Wingsconsin about adapting the riding style, but it sure is comforting to know that if you get caught in a decreasing radius turn somewhere, when you don't expect it, that you can lay her over till she scrapes, so you can, hopefully, keep from going off the pavement.

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Re: Gl1500 Excessive peg scraping

Post by C-dub » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:43 pm

Wingsconsin wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:17 am
C-dub wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:10 am
I still maintain that the riding style must adapt to the typ of bike one is riding. A Goldwing has some giddy up, but it is not a sport bike. Advertisements or commercials with professional riders may make it appear sporty, but it is still the Cadillac of motorcycles.

People don’t buy Goldwings for their speed or cornering ability.
I can agree with your sentiment - however - the Goldwing is a VERY capable motorcycle as well
Once properly set up it can be ridden pretty hard and corner awfully well --
My son is a very aggressive rider on his GL1800 and put a T120 Bonneville away this past summer on HY666 -
Both riders were above my ability or willingness to chase hard so they got away from me -
But peg scrapping and riding the motorcycle hard are not excluded when you own a Goldwing... :ugeek:

But -- you already knew that ... ;)
It certainly is capable for what it is and probably far more so than others like it or even close to it. However, I rode a Hayabusa for many years and it ain't no Busa. An R1, GSXR1000, or even their little brother 600's would eat our Wings alive on roads like the Dragon with equally capable riders.

I've been a little surprised at my Wing's giddy up a couple times, but never startled or afraid of it. I've had the "oh cool" feeling on my Wing rather than the "oh $#!%" gasp on my Busa.

Yeah, I've scrapped my pegs a couple times and they were warnings to me to bring it in just a tad and a reminder of what I'm on. For me, it's been an adjustment in riding style and well as riding position in the saddle. I had also scrapped my pegs on the Busa a few times keeping ahead of my friend on his R1. I don't know if I'm that much better of a rider than he was, but it drove him nuts that he couldn't catch me in the twisties on a bike around 100lbs heavier than his that he described as a "whale" once when I let him try it out. Ah, now I wish I would have replied, "Yeah, Killer Whale!" Dang! Years too late!


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