Odd choke problem


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Odd choke problem

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On my '99 1500 SE....
The handlebar mounted choke lever used to stay wherever I put it while the bike warmed up.
But lately the choke lever springs back to the "choke off" position. I have to sit with my
thumb on the choke 'til the bike warms up.
Is there some sort of friction lock that came loose?


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Re: Odd choke problem

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That's a new one on me. I have not heard of that ever happening and I have no idea what the cause might be.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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LOL!! Leave it to me to come up with a problem that no one has ever heard of before.
I hope someone here can shed some light on it. It's annoying.
It's like someone put a return spring on the choke.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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Bump.
Any one ever seen this happen before?
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Re: Odd choke problem

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That's a new one here too. Mine favors open or non choke, and it feels like pushing against a spring, but it will stay where set.

It's not a choke really as it doesn't affect air, it is a fuel enrichning thing and allows way more fuel in.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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It is not at the carb end, look to the control lever for a friction adjustment.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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This one's new to me as well - I'm trying to think about the last time I had it apart, and I don't remember there being a friction adjustment. The "pull" type chokes on the four-cylinder wings had a nut on the back that could be used to increase the friction.

The choke lever fits into a groove in the left side switch cluster - there are two screws on the bottom holding it together:

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Once the screws are out, you can lift the top half off and see how the choke sits in the groove:

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I would check the positioning of the switch cluster, as well as the clutch reservoir (held in place with the two allen bolts on the front). If they aren't quite right, you might have too much free play.

If all else fails, you could jam something into the groove inside that cluster to provide some friction against the clutch lever.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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offcenter wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:21 amLOL!! Leave it to me to come up with a problem that no one has ever heard of before. I hope someone here can shed some light on it. It's annoying.It's like someone put a return spring on the choke.
Could some unintended lube have gotten in there recently while spraying the switches etc.?
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Re: Odd choke problem

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There is a ball bearing in the choke lever I assume its sprung loaded. This may be it has stuck. You can just about see it in WingAdmins post second photo


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Re: Odd choke problem

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Thanks guys!
Thanks for the photos and the advice.
Ya know, I have been lubing those push buttons, though not recently.
When I open it, I'll take a look at that ball bearing.
And I'll post back here about what I find, if anything.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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I opened the handlebar cluster today. Everything inside looks fine.
The choke cable is definitely being pulled back from the other end, wherever that is.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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Sounds a lot like the clamp that holds the cable has gotten loose. There is a clamp on the front of the carb assembly and I'm willing to bet it's loose or missing. The choke mechanism is spring loaded and naturally returns to the no choke position. In order to get to it you are going to have to get the carbs loose from the engine, I don't believe you'll have to remove the coolant hoses in order to see it.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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Nice of Honda to label that "Choke" when it is not, it is a Mixture control, and ramp for the idle speed.

guess they figured we were too dumb to understand "Mixture" ?
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Re: Odd choke problem

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I have the same choke lever set up that you have shown. my choke lever will not stay in the off position.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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The resistance of the cable should be enough to hold it in the normal "ride" position. You might check the whole thing, top to bottom, to make sure that the cable and return spring are connected.
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Re: Odd choke problem

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I recently had an issue with the choke staying on as well. it used to be a firm push to get it to engage but would still release. after a short ride the rpms would not go to idle, ran rough with small back fires. checked the cable at the handlebar - stayed loose. So finally broke down and pulled plastic to get to the carbs. it appeared the choke lever was sticking some where. decided to pull the carbs clean them up and see what the issue was. looks like it is a broken cap / nut on the enriching rod.

this is the broken one note no threads on the bottom of the cap
this is the broken one note no threads on the bottom of the cap


this is the good side
this is the good side

I have found the parts needed or the repair ( 16046-MT2-004 ) But it appears no one has any available!!!!
Does anyone know o a source for one of these or will I be sunk into buying a whole new carb set? Thanks.


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