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dbenson
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I bought a 93 1500 that had a bad starter listed at the problem. At first the neutral light would not come on so I cleaned out the reverse switch and now the light comes on. Then it made a thud sound when I tried to start it and once it tried to crank but then got nothing. I changed out the starter and still have the same problem. It makes a strong sound like it cant start then after a few tries I get nothing from it when I try to start it. I am checking the fuses to see if that is the reason for the nothing but have no Idea about the no crank.



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The "THUD" comment, and the "strong sound" concern me that there might possibly be "something" in the cylinders that doesn't belong there, or something in the crankcase that loose and causing a problem with the starter/crankshaft.

These 1500's should crank over easily without any thuds, or strong sound. I would be tempted to drain the oil and see it you get any chips/shavings from something that is worn/broken. If you bought this bike recently, and due to the "symptoms" you describe, , replace your timing belts and (with your spark plugs removed), you can turn the crank (counterclock-wise) to see/feel if something is in the cylinders causing the sound. Once you're convinced there isn't any interference in the cylinders, and the crankcase seems clear of any debris, we can walk you through the process of checking for fuel, spark, air mixture. You should have that ride up and running in no time.

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I hope you don't have a broken gear where the starter is mounted like below.
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Ok really confused, So I went to try the bike after letting it sit and it started cranking. I even got it to fire up, however now it wont stop. Its like the switch is stuck is the only way I can describe it. I had to disconnect the battery to get it to shut off. The run switch does not shut if off and it is putting a big load on the battery.

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COOL!!! Thats a GOOD thing!!! I was afraid of something like Erdeniz said, but if it won't stop running, , you just probably have a sticky switch/electrical issue.

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like new switch, or spray cleaner inside or both

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Check the battery with the cables OFF to get an idea how much charge is on the battery. Using a voltmeter, red probe on positive terminal and black probe on negative terminal. THEN, , connect both cables to the battery and (leaving the key OFF) check the battery terminals again. There should be NO LOAD on the battery so the result should be the same as before. IF the result is the same, turn the key ON and check the terminals again, , , check to see if there is a LOAD by just turning the key on. Your headlights and other things will turn on, but you want to know what your battery is reading before you hit the "start" button.
The 1500 is a real energy hog for "start up", and your battery will need atleast 10.7v-11.5v to turn the crank AND have enough to fire the coils.

Once you're satisfied you can start the bike everytime without any trouble, we'll tackle the "not shutting off" problem.

Additionally, , , what year/model is the 1500. Your profile bike is the '82.

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He said it was a '93, by what he said sounds like the starter keeps running and won't stop.

I can't imagine BOTH the "A" and "B" relays to have welded contacts at the same time, so this points to stuck starter button switch.

Can easily check the two starter relays with an ohmmeter, with bike battery disconnected measure across the two main (bolt) terminals on each relay, if you get a continuity reading from either relay it indicates contacts welded internally.
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Ok here is what I am down to, and by the way everyone's comments has been Awesome. It is not consistent but after a few starts it will keep trying to start like it was before. If I disconnect the battery and then the solenoid I can connect the battery again and then it is a count down till it does it again. The starter and solenoid are new.

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There's TWO solenoids ("relay" is the correct term), Starter relay "A" is right next to the battery (toward front of bike), and relay "B" is a little further forward by the engine. Follow the heavy cable from "A" to "B".

If you replaced "B" but not "A" that may be your problem. I checked the schematics, If relay "A" sticks, it will also keep relay "B" energized and the starter will keep spinning. The "B" relay isn't necessarily sticking, it will still be actuated by current from "A". If this happens, moving the reverse shifter slightly toward reverse gear (not enough to mesh the gears) will actuate the reverse switch and interrupt the ground to the "B" relay and the starter should stop. This would confirm relay "A" sticking and not "B". If you whack relay "A" with a screwdriver handle it should unstick.

Starter relays can start getting stuck due to the amount of current going thru them, with time and corrosion little bits of the copper contacts can actually melt off one contact and stick to the mating surface making for very rough surfaces. These rough surfaces can actually "weld" themselves together a little bit with the high amperage draw from the starter, thus a "stuck" relay. Replacement is the fix.
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That makes sense, I will get on that today

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Ok so I did the Ohm test across the two relays and they seem to be fine. I do not get any reading on them. When I hit the start switch the reverse light dims but nothing happens. there is no load on the battery so my mind is going on that switch.

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Won't start in reverse....

I was pointing to the possibility of the "A" relay sticking, you can move the reverse lever to disable the "B" relay to stop the starter from spinning if the "A" relay sticks.

So if your starter is stuck "On" again, instead of disconnecting the battery to stop it, see if moving the reverse lever slowly part way stops the starter. That would confirm if it was the "A" relay stuck.
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I will try that, relay A by the battery is brand new

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DenverWinger wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:14 pm
Won't start in reverse....

I was pointing to the possibility of the "A" relay sticking, you can move the reverse lever to disable the "B" relay to stop the starter from spinning if the "A" relay sticks.

So if your starter is stuck "On" again, instead of disconnecting the battery to stop it, see if moving the reverse lever slowly part way stops the starter. That would confirm if it was the "A" relay stuck.
I doubt this will damage the reverse system mechanically.

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That't why I said move the lever slowly, will actuate the reverse switch and stop the starter before he begins meshing any gears... :D
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So getting more confused as I go on. The bike now struggles to start. Sounds like that slow crank when you have a dead battery. I put cables on it and it still wont start. now I am worried that the motor wont turn, but I had It started before.

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When you started this thread you stated that you bought a '93 that had a "starter problem". You changed the starter but now you seem to be back at square one, , ,with a starter problem (the engine cranks slowly like a dead battery).

I'm wondering if you might have an "issue" with that starter wiring. Check the starter that you just installed and see if there are any signs of excessive heating, melted wires, deformed connectors, or any other sign that might be unusual. That 30A fuse could have a "crack" and need replacing.

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Another thing to check: On a different thread the OP was having issues with starter on a GL1800. Turned out the main ground between engine and bike frame was compromised.

Easy enough to check with a voltmeter, put Neg probe on battery Neg terminal, and Pos probe on engine block. Hit the starter. You should read no or very little voltage.


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