Bike won't start


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Bike won't start

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Hope someone can help. I have a 94 SE 72,000 miles. If it sits for more than 2 weeks (unfortunately it happens), it will not start unless I put gas down the carbs. I can actually run the battery dead trying. If it only sits for a week , it will start right up. I have no idea what this could be. Going out of my mind and tired of having to take it apart for this. If I do have to dump gas in the carbs, once it fires off and starts it is fine.



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Re: Bike won't start

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Sounds like float bowls might be leaking down? Check the fuel pump to see if it is running while cranking. When you open it up, if you work the throttle, do you see the accelerator pump squirting any gas into the carb? Low battery can also cause all kinds of no start issues.

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I will look when I open it up AGAIN :| to prime the system. If it was the accelerator pump wouldn't I have problems even while running, which I don't. I know more about older cars and carbs than bikes so excuse my ignorance if that is the case. Could there be a problem with the fuel pump like a bad seal that Slowly leaks and once the system is dry just can't pick up fuel. Idk just spitballing here

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I'm not thinking the accelerator pump is bad, but that the float bowls have leaked all the fuel out so there is nothing left to pump. But the electric pump should recover that pretty fast, so that's why I am wondering if the pump is even being driven when cranking. Out of curiosity have you tried just tapping the start button a few times instead of just holding it down cranking?

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I would do a flow test on the fuel pump to see if it is putting out enough.

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Re: Bike won't start

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Fuel shut off diaphragm maybe?

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kneabling wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:36 pm
Hope someone can help. I have a 94 SE 72,000 miles. If it sits for more than 2 weeks (unfortunately it happens), it will not start unless I put gas down the carbs. I can actually run the battery dead trying. If it only sits for a week , it will start right up. I have no idea what this could be. Going out of my mind and tired of having to take it apart for this. If I do have to dump gas in the carbs, once it fires off and starts it is fine.
How old are the spark plugs, could they be original or partially fouled? Lots of things can contribute to what you are experiencing and need checking. Petcock or its' vacuum signal not up to snuff, leaking float bowl gaskets, mis-adjusted enrichment cable/actuator, weak battery/current draw, poor charging system voltage. Add um up.
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Back again, same issue. Bike will not start if it sits more than a couple days. I have done a flow check on the pump about 42 oz. Per minute. I did take the fuel petcock line to the carb off and do not seem to be getting flow after petcock. Could that be bad?

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Re: Bike won't start

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Certainly. That valve needs to flow freely when there is vacuum applied to it. With the engine not running, there will be no vacuum and no flow through the valve.

Maybe you need to test the valve. This procedure is from the service manual:


However, if it starts and runs fine after putting fuel into the carbs, then there is a possibility it is not the Auto Fuel Valve. Have you taken it for a ride after getting it to run previously? If the auto fuel valve is bad, the bike will bog down after a while at 60 mph or so. If the Auto Fuel Valve checks okay, it could be the carbs leaking down while sitting unused.
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So I dumped fuel in the carbs and got it running. Mike you mentioned the carb bowls draining dry. Even if that is the case why does it not want to get fuel through the valve on initial start up after sitting for a while. And then once it's running it seems to run fine. I did not take it out on a ride, however when this has happened before I have and all was well.

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I'm curious, how do you manage to get fuel into the carbs?
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Take the top fairing and everything apart down to the carbs and pour some in.

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That is quite a bit of work just to do a test start. I am sure if I had to do that, I would certainly test that Auto Fuel Valve while I had it apart.
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Post by virgilmobile »

Keep in mind something about the fuel shutoff valve.
It's vacuum operated.
Check the hose feeding it.They tend to get hard and leak at the manifold.
Also..Do not open the throttle when trying to start the bike.You will loose vacuum to open the valve.

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So I did take the auto fuel valve apart and the one large diaphragm is ripped. I do have a new one on order to rebuild it I will also have to take the inner fairings and stuff apart to check that vacuum line and see how that looks.

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Re: Bike won't start

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4given wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:02 pm
Fuel shut off diaphragm maybe?

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4given wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:09 pm
4given wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:02 pm
Fuel shut off diaphragm maybe?
For sure.
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Once I get that rebuilt I will let y'all know how it goes. "Gimme" til weekend.

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I would like to say THANK YOU!!!!!! It was the fuel shut off valve. I rebuilt it through "Show Chrome" parts kit and it fired off immediately. It has sat for a week and fire in maybe 2 seconds. Thank you for all the knowledge.

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Good job. Thanks for getting back to us.
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Happy to hear you are up and running.

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Re: Bike won't start

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I have a 94 GL1500SE with a CSC Trike Kit. I have had the bike for several years. I also have a similar problem. The longer it sits, the harder it is to start and the longer it takes to start it. A few years ago I had the carbs rebuilt? At least I thought I did. Was by a dealer? Anyway, my problem seems like a drain of fuel from carbs, over time?
I also have a lot of knowledge about old cars. You close the choke and it sucks gas into the carbs. But from what I have heard on here, a Gold Wing is different? Thanks for the advise and I will also give that a try.

Now to another question. The CSC Trike. I have had to do much research to first figure out who made the parts, and then figure out where to find them. Example is rear end, calipers, brakes, rotors. I believe the rear end is a Ford 3.0 modified, calipers are made in Brazil by a company named Varga, and are from a 67- 71 VW Karman Giah. Now I am looking for replacement mufflers. Wonder what they are from. Is there a way or place that I can get them from if I send the specs. The ones on bike are getting pretty rusty. Thanks

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Dennis Kirk carries the OEM exhaust for about 350 but I found several listing on eBay for a very reasonable <200.00 price tag.

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Re: Bike won't start

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You are right, the GL1500 has an enrichment valve that draws fuel from the float bowl, no restriction on the air, so no suction downstream.

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Re: Bike won't start

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I am considering the 12 volt multi fuel shutoff valve. Rather than rebuild current fuel shutoff valve? The 12 volt multi fuel shutoff can be purchased through Dan Marc. Has anyone ever tried it? Just looking for options before I decide which route to go. Thanks!!!!!



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