Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)


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Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:39 pm



If you haven't seen the first 2 posts please follow the link and have some fun before experiencing the downside of the trip.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=53596

So after the fun it was time to start are trek home on Thursday September 5th. We drove up to Marseilles IL and camped at Illini State park along the IL River. The orginal plan was to spend Thursday night and Friday night at the campground and then drive home Saturday morning. However we were having a good time on Friday so the wife decided we should spend one more day and head home on Sunday. I agreed we booked the extra night stay and planned our ride for Saturday. We lined up a few places to see and then went to bed.

Saturday morning was a bright sunny and beautiful day for a ride and then the problems began.

For those of you that followed this post: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53187&p=306984#p306984, the same dang thing happened to me on this morning. About 5 miles from the campground, and one and half hours from home.

Luckily a nice group of Harley riders came by and saw we were in trouble. They stopped and asked a few questions, tried to push start to no avail. One of the guys gave me a ride back to the campground so I could get the truck while another hung out with my wife to make sure nothing happened. Got the truck but I only have an 8 ft ramp, I told the guy that gave me the ride this information and when he got back to the bike he scoped out an area that would drop the rear of the truck down enough to get the bike in. Four guys and into the truck she went with no problem. After strapping her down we met up with the group and bought them a couple of rounds as a thank you and in the process made some new friends.

As mentioned in my other post the thing just died. My voltage meter read 8.7 volts. They think it might be the stator, but I checked the wiring diagrams and don't see a stator. Haven't had a chance to look it over yet but wondering what I should all be looking at and tracing. :?:

Hopefully I can look it over this weekend.

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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by bellboy40 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:45 pm

Those symptoms indicate to me that your charging system is not working. Get the battery charged up and then when you get the bike running, put your voltmeter on the battery terminals and see what it reads. With the rpms up around 2k or so, you should be seeing somewhere around 14 volts at the battery. If not, you likely have a problem with the alternator.
If you remove the alternator, you can take it to an alternator repair shop and they should be able to test and repair it for you. If you want to try to fix it yourself, you can take it apart and most likely the trouble is either worn out brushes or they may be stuck in the holder. If they are just stuck, then a good cleaning up around the brushes and the holders so the brushes can move freely and it will likely be all it needs.

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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:31 am

bellboy40 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:45 pm
Those symptoms indicate to me that your charging system is not working. Get the battery charged up and then when you get the bike running, put your voltmeter on the battery terminals and see what it reads. With the rpms up around 2k or so, you should be seeing somewhere around 14 volts at the battery. If not, you likely have a problem with the alternator.
If you remove the alternator, you can take it to an alternator repair shop and they should be able to test and repair it for you. If you want to try to fix it yourself, you can take it apart and most likely the trouble is either worn out brushes or they may be stuck in the holder. If they are just stuck, then a good cleaning up around the brushes and the holders so the brushes can move freely and it will likely be all it needs.
I have the battery hooked up to the tender, and hopefully I'll have time to try and start it up on Saturday. One of the guys that helped out has a brother with a Goldwing and he thinks it's the stator or possibly the fuse. How can I distinguish of it is the alternator or the stator?

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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by 1goldwingnut » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:18 pm

Easy. A 1500 has an alternator.

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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:32 pm

1goldwingnut wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:18 pm
Easy. A 1500 has an alternator.
After posting I took a look at the parts diagram and see the stator is internal to the alternator. Hopefully its just a bad connection somewhere along the line.

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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by ct1500 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:56 am

DougEFresh1123 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:31 am
I have the battery hooked up to the tender, and hopefully I'll have time to try and start it up on Saturday. One of the guys that helped out has a brother with a Goldwing and he thinks it's the stator or possibly the fuse. How can I distinguish of it is the alternator or the stator?
Thanks - Doug
Your 1500 does have a stator but is internal to the alternator. If an OEM alternator on your ride the likeliest failure for it would be the brushes then the diodes/regulator for your year. The windings on the early years held up well.
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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:25 pm

ct1500 wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:56 am
Your 1500 does have a stator but is internal to the alternator. If an OEM alternator on your ride the likeliest failure for it would be the brushes then the diodes/regulator for your year. The windings on the early years held up well.

Thanks CT, I discovered this while looking at the parts fiche.

I haven't had a chance to look at the bike yet, the weekend was dedicated to putting the finishing touches on "Doug's Beer Garden."

Hopefully this coming weekend will stay open and I can check it out.

Thanks - Doug
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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by AZgl1800 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:38 pm

the Honda 1500s have an Alternator,

the HONDA VF750C MAGNA has a Stator system,

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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:21 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:38 pm

you don't say which bike you were riding.
I was riding the 1500.

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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:09 pm

Well good folks, finally got around to trying to start the Goldwing. She has been on a battery tender for 2 weeks now. I checked the voltage and it was reading 13 volts so I tried to start her up, after 3 tries she started up. Put the voltage meter to the battery and it was reading 12.07 volts. Let it run for a few minutes and then turned off the choke. Cranked the bike up to about 2500rpms and the voltage meter was reading 12.06 volts. Guessing is time to pull the alternator and have it tested.
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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:59 am

I pulled my alternator out and am in the processes of finding a replacement. Based on a few threads it sounds like I should go with a 90 amp alternator. Does any one have experience with the DB Electrical 90 amp alternator? https://www.dbelectrical.com/products/a ... 0-amp.html

I was reading this thread; viewtopic.php?f=6&t=28021&p=311972&hili ... or#p311972, and some one mentioned replacing the dampers, should I also plan on replacing mine? They're only $4.00 bucks a piece so it's not gonna break the bank.


Any tips/tricks on getting the alternator apart? My son and I are exploring the possibility of rebuilding so I have a spare but we can't figure out how to get it apart. We have removed the 3 bolts along the outside and can get it to spin but can't get it apart.


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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:38 am

You should always plan to replace the dampers when you replace the alternator. They get hard over time with heat from the engine.

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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:43 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:38 am
You should always plan to replace the dampers when you replace the alternator. They get hard over time with heat from the engine.
Thanks - will add to my list of items to purchase.
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Re: Lake of the Ozarks Trip Part 3 of 3 (aka Charging Issue)

Post by DougEFresh1123 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:06 am

Well I finally got a new alternator installed, I went with this one:

https://www.amazon.com/LActrical-ALTERN ... 145&sr=8-8

After install started up the bike and the voltage meter was reading 14.5 volts at the battery.

Was hoping to ride it today, but realized I didn't renew my plates and they expired at the end of September. Since the bike was laid up for the last month I kind of forgot about it. Oh well going to the currency exchange to renew the plates today and will be riding her again later this week.


Thanks - Doug


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