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Information and questions on GL1500 Goldwings (1988-2000)
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Jetfighter3
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So I bought a 93 Aspen. in july 2017. Did all the necessary work ,upgrades ect.... and now after two riding seasons, approximately 20 months I have decided to go to the dark side. I know there are articles about how great it is and all, but I haven't seen any with all the information on the tire they choose except the Austone. ( and I understand they are hard to get a hold of ) They give a brand name but no tire size or a size but not the brand or a partial size. it would be good to see a list maybe with the MFG and the size beside it and maybe even a rating and why it was rated so. maybe you know of such a place and could share it with us all. We new comers would appreciate it.



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Post by minimac »

The choices for a GL1500 are somewhat limited . Not all CTs perform the same, and are very PSI sensitive. A tire that "wiggles" at 32# might instantly become super glue at 43#.
Measure the space you have available(height and width) on your bike. If you decide on a manufacturer and model tire, compare the various tire sizes to the stock size tire dimensions here to see what fits:
https://tiresize.com/comparison/
Remember- for best results, you'll need more pressure in the tire than you'd normally use. It takes a bit of experimenting to see what works best for you. When I was running the Austone on mine, I found approximately 42-45# rear and 40-42# front gave me the best handling. If two up riding, I'd bump the rear up to 46-48. I ran that tire for 35K miles and it still wasn't at the wear bars.

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For more information on the dark side check out this web site...
Alan Hepburn - San Jose, Ca
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Good morning Jetfighter, I have a1995 GL1500 with Hannigan Astro 2+2. Used a Firenze 195/55/16 tire and it was good but the mileage was about 23-24000 miles. The tire lowered the bike too much for my liking. I searched for an Austone asking taxi tire, but the stopped making them from what I found and the ones available were pricey. Doing some “hunting” on the web I found a close substitute. The “Sunfull” tire I purchased via “fleabay” thru Pep Boys. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50718&p=306022#p305988 . View my post with pics. Working out very well and the price, well , you can’t argue with it. 5000 plus miles to date. Just got back two weeks ago from RT to Daytona. Road like a dream.

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Did you mount it yourself or were you able to find a tire place to do it ?

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Mount and balance myself. Used 4 oz balance beads.

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I use zip tie method to mount. Buy large zip ties at Harbor freight 24” long I use 8 spaced out and tighten tire to compress. Then plenty of soapy water and I have tire irons to get tire over rim. Line up paint dot on tire to tire valve before cutting and removing zip ties. I add 4 oz balance beads then soap up rim an inflate. Mount tire and your ready to go.

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Was it difficult getting the bead to seat, did you have to over inflate the tire to get it to seat? That is a concern to me because of the story I heard from my local MC shop where one of their employees had his hand broke trying to mount a ct on his bike.

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Post by offcenter »

Bullfeathers! I've mounted two car tires on my bike so far, using the zip tie method and tire irons.
And I ain't no young kid with arms like a wrestler.
George in Jersey.
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Thanks a lot for the great information, can't wait to get started. One last question, did you have to modify the fender or heat up the saddle bag to bend it in to gain clearance for the ct?

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Post by WingAdmin »

I use a similar method for my tires - but I don't use zip ties, as I'm too paranoid that they will tear or otherwise damage the bead, which means endless air leaks - or worse. I use nylon ratchet straps, cheap Harbor Freight versions.

Also, soap (especially dish soap) is a very bad idea for lubricating the beads when installing tires, as the soap will etch the aluminum rims, and cause them to corrode...and leak. I bought a cheap bottle of actual tire bead lubricant. It works great, and doesn't stick your balancing beads together.

You can see my article on this entire process here: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=43239

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I used a 195/55/16 on my gl1000 frame, 1200 swing arm, 1500 final drive. To complete the sweep, I used 1100 shocks. (Guess I need to use an 1800 rear master cylinder to be a full sweep)

I could not get the tire to work it’s way on with just irons or zip ties. I didn’t have enough appendages to manipulate all the tire irons. After having one appendage slip and the tire toss the lever back at me and thunk me square in the forehead, I decided I brute strength from a 61 year old with two artificial hips and obviously limited intelligence was not going to work.

After mopping up the blood, I realized ratchet straps could be made to work. Pics explain it best.




I think it took about 70 psi and a two pound hammer to get the bead to pop.

I’m not too keen on the ride. Mine’s a bobber so it’s just for looks. I’ll probably go back to a motorcycle tire when this one wears out, around 2053. And to clarify, this width will not likely work on stock bikes.

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Post by WingAdmin »

You really don't want to use steel implements directly against the rim to pry the tires on and off - it takes only a very small scratch on those (soft, aluminum) bead-seating surfaces to create a very annoying slow (or not so slow!) leak.

Using the rim protectors like I show in my tire-changing How-to article will keep this from happening, and make quick and easy-ish work of the job. As always, having the right tools always makes the job quicker & easier.

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Good Morning, Been busy repairing my GL1500 (1995) hose leak . One of the ones that cools carb. Very difficult and tedious buy putting it back together today. A mouse got up in there and chewed some of the rubber. I had cleaned two mouse condos out of the bike after bringing it back from Wisconsin in 2017. Getting to the car tire mounting, I used about 52 lbs and the bead seated and I used my wifes PAM cooking spray to get the tire to slide easily. Bikes still rides great with the Sunfull tire.

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Hi there, could you send me the mfr. And the tire size you are using. I was told 2 weeks ago you can no longer get tire sizes except the Austone to fit a gl1500?

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viewtopic.php?t=50718&p=306248#p304576

Morning Jetfighter, here is the post I put up on this site of the Sunfull tire I bought from PEP BOY"S on EBAY. Gives the size, price, pics. Hope this helps .
Post was titled RE: Speaking of Austone Taxi Tires.



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