2000 gl1500 draining battery after sitting several days


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2000 gl1500 draining battery after sitting several days

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Has anyone had a problem with the battery draining below starting level after sitting for 3-4 days? I have a new battery and new alternator, the reverse circuit seems to be a possible culprit. The 5amp fuse # 13 is hot at all times drawing 0.6 amps even with the key off. Is this normal? Help would be appreciated.



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Fuse #13 is for CB Radio, Stereo/cassette deck, Instrument panel indicator illumination, and trunk light. The Trunk Light circuit is always powered.
Do you have a trunk light installed? Or maybe something else is connected to the trunk light circuit. Have you had the bike since it was new? If not, did the previous owner connect something to this circuit?

Since this circuit is always powered and it goes to the stereo and instrument panel, it is most likely a "keep alive" circuit for the clock, radio presets and other types of circuits so some power drain is normal. I do not know how much power drain is normal but .6 Amps seems high. I would think .12 amps would be closer to normal. .6 amps could drain a good battery in 36 hours or so.
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harrys wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:16 pm
Has anyone had a problem with the battery draining below starting level after sitting for 3-4 days? I have a new battery and new alternator, the reverse circuit seems to be a possible culprit. The 5amp fuse # 13 is hot at all times drawing 0.6 amps even with the key off. Is this normal? Help would be appreciated.
Normal standby current draw on the 1500 is around 3mA, your .6A equals 600mA and is the reason why your battery is discharging.
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my trunk lights are LED and use a Push Button that is "hidden" from normal view.

in the daytime, I have pawed around in the trunk looking for stuff, and bumped that push button.... and not even notice that the Trunk lights are on...

then one night, I was out in the shop looking for some bungee cords, and I knew some were stashed in the trunk of the 1800. Open up the trunk lid, and duh!!! who left those lights on??

for me, it did not matter, as I never leave a bike, lawnmower, scooter, RV setting w/o having a Battery Tender plugged in.

my 1800 has a dash mounted voltmeter that is "always on" so that I can monitor the battery's condition anytime that I pass by it.... that is to let me know that the Battery Tender is plugged in, even though I can't see the BT's cord.

In this particular picture, the BT is not plugged in, when it is, the VM shows 13.4 all the time.

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Sounds like a VERY large parasitic draw on #13. Time to break out the VM and check each circuit (one by one) that's on that relay to try to determine which one is dragging the battery down.

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Do you have a GPS or some other aftermarket accessory that might have been cut into that circuit? I had a GPS that did that, plugged into an always-hot lighter socket. Turns out that that GPS draws 600mA, even when turned "off".

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I have tested every circuit with an amp meter and found that the only circuit drawing current with the key off is fuse #13 which is fed by (I believe) the starter relay "B". If I understand the schematic right, relay "A" feeds relay "B" which in turn feeds the 5 amp fuse that then goes to the control unit for reverse. My question is, has anyone had experience with this always hot (0.6amp draw) condition and am I understanding this circuitry correctly? I have tried researching this condition and have as yet not found an answer or suggestions as to what would cause this condition.

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It appears to me that the #13 Fuse is powered by the Main Fuse.

What feeds the circuit is not really part of the problem I do not think. The problem is, I believe, whatever is taking power from the output side of the fuse.
Once again, are you the original owner? How long has the problem been present. There is also a possibility that there is a high resistance short somewhere between the output of Fuse #13 and where ever that power is being fed to.


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MikeB wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:00 pm
It appears to me that the #13 Fuse is powered by the Main Fuse.

What feeds the circuit is not really part of the problem I do not think. The problem is, I believe, whatever is taking power from the output side of the fuse.
Once again, are you the original owner? How long has the problem been present. There is also a possibility that there is a high resistance short somewhere between the output of Fuse #13 and where ever that power is being fed to.
As Mike is trying explain, fuses do NOT blow because of what is sourcing the power to them.

they blow "open because of an overload down stream of that fuse.

You are going to have to unwrap the wiring harness and isolate the loads that are causing the fuse to blow.

Replace the fuse with an incandescent bulb, a small one. When the load is there, the lamp will light up brightly.

Keep removing wires from the down stream side until you find the one that removes the "load" and the light bulb will extinguish. Once that is found, then trace that to the component that is causing the overload condition.

this procedure allows you to do diagnostics w/o damaging other circuits, and wasting money on fuses.
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I am the second owner of the unit which is a trike by Lehman. I have had the problem since I bought the bike but at first it took much longer to draw down the battery. After taking it back to the dealer he said it was a bad battery which was replaced. Same problem persisted, back to the dealer, changed the alternator, same problem so I did some research and found the draw while at rest but as we have gone along 2 years now the draw down now occurs in 3 to 4 days now instead of 10 days at the start. I will try the procedure that you suggest with the bulb in the fuse socket and removing wires one at a time (if I can locate the harness). Thanks for pointing me in this direction. I will update as I work through the problem.

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Just an FYI. The fuse does not blow it just never ceases to have power through it and therefore a continuous draw down of the battery. By pulling the fuse out the draw down ceases. Bike has been sitting apart for 2 weeks now and the battery will start the bike just fine, just no reverse without the fuse in. Thanks for whatever information you share. HarryS

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Reading through the replies..... I will suggest you inspect each connector in the wire harness especially the ones the wires go through that fuse. I have run into connectors with burnt pins that have been the cause of a plethora of electrical anomalies.

This connector was under the seat of a 99 1500. The cause apparently came from a multitude of incandescent bulbs added over the years to the stock wiring harness via aftermarket plug and play connectors to add more lights to the lighting circuit. One of the anomalies was lights flickering from a relay clicking on and off, lights staying on when they should have been off.
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Since you said this is a trike, it may be that someone has tapped into the trunk light circuit. It is on the back where it likely could have been messed with while installing the trike. I would try disconnecting the C89 connector under the rear of the seat. It is a 2 pin red connector that carries the voltage back to the trunk light circuit. Pull that connector apart and see if your parasitic drain goes away.

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I am going to try to explain as best I can what I have found with my testing of the circuits. Here goes, there is no trunk light the connector for the rear lights on the trunk was disconnected for testing purposes. The schematic below is the one for my unit and I have marked some of the connections with numbers for identification. Connection #1 on start/rev relay "A" is direct from batt and is hot always, #2 is hot when connected to relay but the terminal goes cold when removed from terminal. The wires on terminal #2 feeding fuse 13 and start/rev relay switch "B" stay hot when disconnected and floating free, this causes fuse 13 to be hot at all times (strangely both sides of fuse 13 are hot always (??). Connections #3 & #4 are hot always as long as the battery is connected to terminal #1. It would appear to me that (while not fully understanding how this all works) with fuse #13 both feed and load sides being hot at all times that somehow 12v is being backfed from the diode #D1 somehow. Does this indicate that the diode block has failed? I don't have any idea how to test the diode block so I am kind of at a standstill as where to go from here.

I cannot seem to get the schematic to show on the post, sorry.

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Did you try the ATTACHMENT method for uploading the schematic,

or link to a URL host using the Landscape icon up above the editor?
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He uploaded the picture as "reverse circuit.jpeg" . Try saving the file as .jpg instead of .jpeg then resend it and I bet it works.
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Here is the schematic as mentioned previous.

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That 5A fuse is not fuse #13.
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Fuse #13 is in the Relay box next to the Fuse box labeled "Backup". This always-on Circuit supplies power to clock and radio preset memory among other things when the bike is off. I would normally expect to see only 50mA or so draw on this circuit.
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DenverWinger wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:11 am
Fuse #13 is in the Relay box next to the Fuse box labeled "Backup". This always-on Circuit supplies power to clock and radio preset memory among other things when the bike is off. I would normally expect to see only 50mA or so draw on this circuit.
if the draw if 50 mA, that is about 5 times too much, and will definitely drain the battery in a few weeks.

My Suburban sets for weeks at a time, and the standby parasitic OEM battery drain is enough to draw the battery down to less than 12 volts in this cold weather we are having......

I bought a 750mA Battery Tender 3 days ago and installed it on the Suburban to keep it topped off.

my BIG "aw crap" moment on the Suburban was last week, when I went out to start it and nothing.....
DVM on the battery showed 10.2 volts ??? WTH ?? this was before I bought the Battery Tender for it.

then I noticed that the last time I drove it, I left the GPS plugged into the accessory socket which is HOT all the time on that truck..... too used to our car, which turns off all the accessory sockets when key is off.
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I have to admit, I am more than a little miffed that you sent us on a wild goose chase by saying it was fuse #13.

If your diagram matches what you are actually checking, the truth is, you are troubleshooting current draw on fuse #9.

If there is actually full battery voltage, 12.7 Volts at battery level current, on that terminal, starter relay B would be pulled in.

If you have voltage there and Starter Relay B is not pulling in, I am of the opinion that the voltage is bleed through from Starter Relay A.
That can happen if there are metal shards between the contacts of Relay A. These tiny metal shards are usually caused by rust. The rust flakes off and breaches the contacts thus completing the circuit. Voltage will be present but not enough to pull Starter Relay B but enough to cause a drain on the battery.

Not having the motorcycle to lay my hands on, I can only guess that this is what is happening.

This is just a theory and it needs to be tested. Test it by breaching connection point #2 or #3 on your diagram to ground through a load of some kind. An automotive light bulb with wire leads on it will work just fine. Maybe you have an old automotive headlight bulb you can use. Also, connect your voltmeter to your connection #2 or #3 to ground and see what happens to the voltage.

I have a feeling that the voltage will drop to zero and the light bulb will not light.

If this is what is happening, I believe that replacing Starter Relay A will solve the problem.


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DenverWinger wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:11 am
Fuse #13 is in the Relay box next to the Fuse box labeled "Backup". This always-on Circuit supplies power to clock and radio preset memory among other things when the bike is off. I would normally expect to see only 50mA or so draw on this circuit.
Not on your Goldwing. Max current draw service manual spec is 5mA, typical is 3. :)
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5mA is even better (never researched it) but even 50mA (like my jeep) is next to nothing. Of course the car battery is much bigger :) At any rate 600mA parasitic load is WAY too much..

Had to troubleshoot a 500mA draw in the Jeep once, finally found it. Deb had left the vanity lights in the passenger visor mirror turned on. Dome light circuit.
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Just to trying to clarify things, the next schematic shows cir. 13 in the relay box below relay 6 but it is wired in accordance with the cir. diagram of the 5 amp fuse via the red/yellow to the coil of s/relay "A" and so on. Fuse 9 is a keyed circuit to rev lever switch... Where I find the 0.6 amp constant draw is on the fuse marked #13. When following the wires thru the bike it coincides with the circuit diagram shown on both schematics below which is why I identify it as #13 which is tied to relay "A". My intent is not to send anyone on any wild goose chases but to have someone smarter than me to analyze the problem and give me their educated guess as to a solution. Again I appreciate any incite into this problem



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Fuse #13 has nothing to do with the start/reverse circuit, shaded fuses/relays on the schematic are the only ones involved. If pulling your #13 fuse has an affect on reverse operation then there is a short/miswiring job. When was the last time the machine worked correctly and what work has been done lately?


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