Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?


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Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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I've been following the darkside discussions and see that the forum-favorite Austone Taxi Tire is no longer available. Is there a consensus on the new darkside favorite? Consensus....yeah, right.



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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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I've got an almost new Austone tire that I'm selling for $7500 - it's attached to my 1994 GL1500SE sidecar rig...
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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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Alan_Hepburn wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:16 pm
I've got an almost new Austone tire that I'm selling for $7500 - it's attached to my 1994 GL1500SE sidecar rig...
Seriously??? Nobody's going to pay that much for a tire. You can buy a whole bike for that much.
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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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Well, yeah - you buy the tire for $7500 and I'll throw in the bike and sidecar... :lol:
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Alan_Hepburn wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:35 pm
Well, yeah - you buy the tire for $7500 and I'll throw in the bike and sidecar... :lol:
Lmbo....Varrrooomm...that went right over his head...lol

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smokinmad wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:36 am
Lmbo....Varrrooomm...that went right over his head...lol
and didn't even slow down! :D

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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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This is a great question. To me it boils down to “what size will fit between the swingarms.” There are two options in 175/60R16 (including one run flat from Dunlop). I cannot get a straight answer about what will fit between the swingarms, and I’ve run the Austone but I don’t remember what size. I’m currently trying to see the widest that will fit on the front currently.
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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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Goldwingrev, the owners manual for my '99 1500 calls for 160/80-16 75H, and the only dark side rear I'm seeing forum support for outside of the nolongeravailable Austone is the Yokohama Avid Envigor ZPS 195/55 R16 run-flat run at 46psi. Unless better info comes in here I'll be going with that in about 4K miles/4 months. Mahalo.

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So the 195mm will fit? That’s what I’m asking. I am only confident with the 175/60R16 which I can find 3 dozen of anywhere I go. It fits a Scion iQ. So...if a 195mm tire fits the 1500 let me know right away, I’ll get a Bridgestone DriveGuard. But on my bike personally I think that is way too wide.
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Here's a link to what others have used.

https://darkside.nwff.info/?p=tires

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Yeah I’ve read it...but idk how a 35mm wider tire fits back there. And no one ever changes up the front tire, which was my original question. I’ll probably have to remove the front fender go accommodate the extra width (10mm).

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Perhaps you should get really outrageous and put on a tyre that is actually designed for a motorcycle.
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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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I'm running the Goodyear Fuel Max 175 60R 16 it is shorter so your RPM's go up a little but it has been a very stable tire, even before I had the sidecar
not many tires out there anymore for the 1500's, I have read differing opinions as to a 195 fitting between the swing arms on the 1500, a few have said yes it will fit and others say it rubs. I rode an 1800 with a 195 and I have to say that was just too wide for my comfort, I could feel it hop up on it's edge and then sit back down on the flat. never ever felt that with the 175 on the 1500. but that's just my preference and experience

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aj1500 wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:05 pm
I'm running the Goodyear Fuel Max 175 60R 16 it is shorter so your RPM's go up a little but it has been a very stable tire, even before I had the sidecar
not many tires out there anymore for the 1500's, I have read differing opinions as to a 195 fitting between the swing arms on the 1500, a few have said yes it will fit and others say it rubs. I rode an 1800 with a 195 and I have to say that was just too wide for my comfort, I could feel it hop up on it's edge and then sit back down on the flat. never ever felt that with the 175 on the 1500. but that's just my preference and experience
Perfect. So there’s variation. I’ll just stick with the narrower tire—although now I don’t need the car tire, I’m still noting it. Thanks.
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Has anyone tried this tire on the 1500s ??


Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D DSST RunOnFlat - Size: 175/60R16


https://tiresize.com/tires/Dunlop/SP-Wi ... -60R16.htm 
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AZgl1800 wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:34 pm
Has anyone tried this tire on the 1500s ??


Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D DSST RunOnFlat - Size: 175/60R16


https://tiresize.com/tires/Dunlop/SP-Wi ... -60R16.htm 
I have seen some people use it, and that’s the one I am going to use for the Dalton Highway (since the rear wheel is such a pain if I get a flat). Hence all my questions about fitment. From what I’ve read, it’ll work.
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I have said it before and will say it again. I am using a General Tire Altimax 195-55-16 on my 97 1500 with no issues at all. It does NOT rub the swing arm, it does NOT ride on the sidewall. This tire works well for me, I like to toss it around in the twisties here in the mountains of British Columbia. 8-)
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RoadRogue wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:09 pm
I have said it before and will say it again. I am using a General Tire Altimax 195-55-16 on my 97 1500 with no issues at all. It does NOT rub the swing arm, it does NOT ride on the sidewall. This tire works well for me, I like to toss it around in the twisties here in the mountains of British Columbia. 8-)
Probably twists pretty well too. Car tires seem to carry in in the direction you point them better than normal. Okay, I’ll believe you. Maybe my measurements are off.

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The tire width issue often gets confused between the GL1500 and the GL1800

then 1800 can accommodate a slightly wider tire I believe (?) --

Do your research and KNOW whjat will fit before you spend $$ on it ---

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WHY put an auto tire on a M/C ? is it price? ok..what is your life worth? $20-$30? Is it tire wear? (also PRICE) no tire manufacturer - none, zip, nada- bupkiss- will sign off on an auto tire on a m/c. The sidewall is the issue. Car tires are not made to lean over like bikes. Yeah, yeah. I know- it's a challenge.. someone got 10,000 miles more on a car tire than on m/c tire. How cheap is your life or your passenger?

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Fatboy46 wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:33 pm
WHY put an auto tire on a M/C ? is it price? ok..what is your life worth? $20-$30? Is it tire wear? (also PRICE) no tire manufacturer - none, zip, nada- bupkiss- will sign off on an auto tire on a m/c. The sidewall is the issue. Car tires are not made to lean over like bikes. Yeah, yeah. I know- it's a challenge.. someone got 10,000 miles more on a car tire than on m/c tire. How cheap is your life or your passenger?
There is a LOT of information about Darksiding on this forum and many others -
Do a simple Google search and read about it forever --
Some have tried it and found it works for them - (I tried it for 30,000 miles and found I prefer motorcycle tires)
But I do not say it doesn't work -- I know it does. - It's just not for me -

I would suggest you do some research and support or discredit your own beliefs on this matter.

Some would wonder about the practicality of converting a motorcycle to a trike ...?

You do realize that a major manufacturer of trike conversions has a kit to replace the front end motorcycle tire with a car tire ?
WHY - Longevity of tire - Better grip - More stopping power - all typical reasons people experiment with alternatives ..

There will always be nay-sayers - there are others who have done it - Opinions - not practical experience

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Fatboy46 »
your rant show ignorance on the issue.

No motorcycle can lean over far enough to run a car tire on the sidewall.

I have used both, and prefer each for a specific reason.

Long tours and maybe pulling a trailer? I go with the CT.

Just ambling around my local town with speed limits of 25 mph, and 1 mile square to each town limit....
I prefer the E4 as it is easier to handle from 0 to 15 mph.

I have 3 rims for the rear of my 1800, I can swap to a different tire in less than 5 minutes.

but, once anyone runs a car tire for 100 plus miles, they get used to how it handles.....
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erkmann wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:20 am
I've been following the darkside discussions and see that the forum-favorite Austone Taxi Tire is no longer available. Is there a consensus on the new darkside favorite? Consensus....yeah, right.
Trike it … and then you can run two car tires on the back … a really long ways between changes. 8-)
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You do realize that a major manufacturer of trike conversions has a kit to replace the front end motorcycle tire with a car tire ?
WHY - Longevity of tire - Better grip - More stopping power - all typical reasons people experiment with alternatives ..
Trikes don't lean into turns like bikes either. Totally different deal. :roll:
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Irrespective of the advantageous claims made about using a car tyre on a motorcycle, this should not be done. I understand fully that the United States has a much more relaxed approach to road safety than in the UK, which may account in part, for the 75% greater number fatalities per 100,000 population in the US compared with the UK. In the UK, a motorcycle fitted with a car tyre will fail its annual (for want of a better phrase) road worthiness test, thus making the machine illegal to operate on public roads and so such practise here is rare – though no doubt does occur. Moreover, there are very good reasons for not putting a car tyre on a motorcycle – and I am referring here specifically to two wheel motorcycles not “trikes”.

There isn’t a single tyre manufacturer which advises a car tyre can be put on a motorcycle. Some, when asked, have made statements to this effect.

Honda’s Goldwing owner's manual (GL1500) states: “The use of tyres other than those listed on the tyre information label may adversely affect handling. Any attempt to mount passenger car tyres on a motorcycle rim may cause the tyre bead to separate from the rim with enough explosive force to cause serious injury or death”.

Cars have complex steering, damping and differential gearing which places very different stresses on a tyre. Motorcycles lean into corners. You may have noticed that car tyres and motorcycle tyres have very different profiles – there is a reason for this.

Finally, in which ever country you live, putting a car tyre on a motorcycle rim or indeed, fitting a car wheel rim to a motorcycle, will invalidate your insurance. In most territories this is illegal, and in case of an accident may lead to penury.
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brettchallenger wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:11 am
Finally, in which ever country you live, putting a car tyre on a motorcycle rim or indeed, fitting a car wheel rim to a motorcycle, will invalidate your insurance. In most territories this is illegal, and in case of an accident may lead to penury.
Unqualified statements, such as this one, is as dangerous as your _alleged_ claims made against the use of a non-standard tire in this application.

In the United States, it's very simple. A DOT-approved tire (has a 'DOT' mark on the sidewall), as opposed to a tire that is marked "For off-road/racing use only" is the only insurance mandate on a road use vehicle (note, I did not imply motorcycle use only - requirement for any on-road vehicle!).

Period.


EDIT: This just in...Dunlop 402 is a motorcycle tire....

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