Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?


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What tire did you end up ordering?
The 195/60.
Same width as the other 195s and as tall as I can get at this point in time.
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I was meaning what brand and model tire?
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Sorry, misunderstood.
Dont know yet, my tire guy said 93$ I asked if its a good tire, he said yes, 60k mile rated, I trust him so we'll see. Should be here thurs-fri, I'll update.
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Picked up the Westlake RP18 195/60-16 tire yesterday and got it on the rim today.
Was very easy to mount, just used a little spray on auto wax and a couple decent tire spoons. Beads both poped on easily at about 30 lbs pressure. Inflated to 44psi cold.
It looked pretty wide 'till I had it on the rim.
I have the rear gear out of the bike so I rolled it under for a look.
Plenty of room on the swingarm, plastics might be close.
Plan to reassemble the bike in the morn, update to follow.
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I haven't seen this posted so here goes.
Getting the tire past the rear gear is a challenge!
Getting the stock one out is a pain let alone a 1/2 inch wider one in there.
The solution for me turned out pretty easy
Pics are not in order.
1) mounted the rear gear making sure the shaft was engaged. Then left mounted loosely by the outter 2 bolts. Last pic.
2) with the plastic ring and the spacer that goes through the rear removed the tire rolls in barely touching anything.
3) once the tire is past the rear, tighten down the 4 mounting bolts. With the tire back a bit there is plenty of room.
4) insert the rear gear spacer.
5) with the wheel pulled back wiggle the plastic ring
on to th wheel, roll wheel forward, transfer ring,
mount and secure with bolt.

Continue mounting wheel.
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I finished mounting the Westlake 195/60-16 today and managed about a ten mile ride. Heavy rain day so wasn't too interested in riding but the streets dryed briefly so got out.
10 miles isn't much a test but like it for the most part.
44psi in the the tire, no air in shock and spring on softest setting, not positive yet but don't think the tire touches anything but pavement!
Would like to thank all who post their experiences
regardless of the negativity!!
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I just have one comment about torquing the 4 rear drive mounting bolts. They should be left slightly loose until you have the shock, axle bolt and pinch bolt for the axle tightened down. Then fully tighten the 4 rear drive bolts. This keeps everything in alignment.
Good job on getting that larger tire installed. I hope it works good for you as it seems it will from your first trial run.
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Thanks for the input Bellboy40. My first time in there but the axle slid in smooth so think it's ok.
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Put about 250 miles on the Darkside yesterday.
Mostly curvy roads, most of the time in 3rd and 4th around 3000 rpm.
The tire isn't up to the task.
It feels fine tipping into the corner, but bumps in the corner, or change in applied torque upset the bike too much.
Aggressive riding, late braking and hard throttle at appex puts the tire at its limit quite easily and gives lots a weird feedback as if it's taking a different arch through the corner.
I'm pretty sure most of the problem is too much flex in the sidewall. At least that is what it feels like.
Running the tire at max 44 psi pressure but feels low on pressure.
Will probably get a stronger sidewall tire to try once the borders open.
I bought the 'Wing to help me slow down which it did a bit, but the tire has got me "riding my age,,,"
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@Sassy, I think you may be right in wanting is something with more of a firmer sidewall.
I don't know a lot about Westlake tires (and don't see that you posted what tire model you have), but it may be a little too soft for the weight of the wing.
The runflats and taxi tires that many run and like have some pretty beefy sidewalls.

I could also just be a re-adjustment period for your riding.
I know when I went darkside on my 1100 Shadow I noticed a little difference in how it cornered and took me a few days to get used to it.
I was running a standard car tire with softer sidewalls. The Shadow is about 250 lbs lighter than a wing though.

Truth is, darkside is not for everyone. I know a few that have tried it an not liked it.
I personally would never tell someone to go and do it based on my experience.
I would however tell them of my positive experience doing it, and the benefits of it for me, as well as the risks that are involved, and for them to decide for themselves if they want to try it based on their own research.
I really liked it on my Shadow, and have a taxi tire that will be put on my wing soon, and hopefully it works out for me.

I would give it a little longer, and adjust the air pressure (actually try lowering the rear pressure a little and see how it handles).
If you still don't like it, then take it off and go back to a motorcycle tire (or hopefully the borders are more open and you can have a larger choice of tires to choose from).
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Took me about 500miles to get used to it on my 1800 but i run a runflat
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With the Achilles multivan I installed it took a few hundred miles to wear the "new" off the tire. And get rid of the new tire greasy feel. But after that I've put it to the test. Riding single through the twistys I'm not too worried when I occasionally scrape pegs. It holds great, even with uneven road surface. But saddle time will definitely play a roll on well you are able to handle having a more "square" tire. Just be safe everyone and ride often.
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The "square" tire doesn't bother me. I understand the the impact it has on handling. I have no problem
dropping it into the corner, in fact the tire has a very smooth transition. The problem with it is transition from dropping in to the corner to accelerating out.
It feels like the torque deforms the sidewall.
I plan to test the multivan tire next. I think I read here that the sidewall is 6 ply, I'll check but the one I have is probably 2 ply sidewall.
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So yesterday I increased the tire pressure from the sidewall stated max of 44 to 50 psi and put ~150 miles on the bike.
Made quite a difference! Most of the weird squirming I felt at 44psi exiting a corner under hard acceleration was gone. Hitting a bump mid corner didnt upset the bike near as much as before and after tipping into a few corners it gave me confidence to brake later and go in deeper.
But, 6 psi over stated max on tire sidewall.
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not to worry about the 6 psi over, lots of us have run 55 in the RF ZP tires.
it makes the tread a bit more rounded, and is why you like it better.
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Well, I have about 1000 miles on the rear car tire.
Like many of you have said it takes a while to get used to the suttle difference. I hardly notice it now. Have thought about it after going through a corner pretty hard and it wasnt even considered.
I still am a little cautious on wet pavement but it's not just the concern about the tire, the bike is new to me as well and not really interested in finding the "edge" because finding the edge requires going beyond it.
I thought the tire completely cleared all body but when I tore it apart to do the ujoint I seen it has rubbed a bit. That may have been before I upped the pressure to firm up the tire as it wallowed a bit. I heated the contact area of the body panel and moved it about 3/16". I plan to put a white paint strip on the tire rim to tread to see if there is still any contact.
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I just wanted to pass this along to all who are considering the darkside move.I have a 185/75-16 Duraturn van tire on the rear 36psi no fitment issues and a Conti Go! 130/70-18 rear on front mounted backward 36 psi,I have 5,000 mi I just returned last nite from a week long trip to wisconsin I am in TN so it was 1800 mi worth with 2 people and a loaded trailer no issues with rain or road construction I would recommend this combo to anyone just passing some personal experience along..
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Just wanted to update the info I posted about the tires I use,a friend of mine uses the same tires and told me had some scrubbing on the plastic rear inner fender with a trailer on rough roads (construction etc) I have not but as he says...his words not mine...we are both larger than average people and with a loaded trailer there is more work for the suspension to do...just wanted to pass this info along
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GoldWingRev wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:50 pm This is a great question. To me it boils down to “what size will fit between the swingarms.” There are two options in 175/60R16 (including one run flat from Dunlop). I cannot get a straight answer about what will fit between the swingarms, and I’ve run the Austone but I don’t remember what size. I’m currently trying to see the widest that will fit on the front currently.
read in another forum that 190 is as wide a tire you can fit the 1500
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Yes I and others have a 195 on the back.
The 195 fits the swingarm easily but on my bike it has rubbed the inner fender a bit. I think even that
rub would depend on the sidewall structure.
Example being weather it was a run flat, a van cargo
tire or a simple passenger tire like I installed.
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As documented in early posts I have a Westlake RP18 195/60-16 CT on the back of my '89 1500. It is now time for a new front tire and Im gonna go Double Dark. I've seen a couple of possibilities mentioned in the Conti Go! and a Metzler. I'm wondering if anyone has used anything else and how you feel about your choice?
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running a mich pilot active 130/70/18 on my gl1800 . so far so good 8k on it . seams to have a little sing at low speed [under 20mph] more feel in handlebars than noise . dont know if same size as 1500 or not
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Thanks for the input Jim. Which way do you run the tire?
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reverse rotation lets tread shed water
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Was limited when got mine lot of out of stock because of covidImage
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