Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?


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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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flyingdragracer wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 10:19 pm All of the Taxi tires I have seen are actually smaller than the original equipment tire. Which is one of the reasons I liked the Multivan tire it is almost exact to the original equipment tire diameter. there should be no change in highway RPM or any losses of torque.
Everything I have read is that the Taxi tire is taller than stock (it is listed as a 175R16, but every one says it measures as a 175/80/16).
Several people mention that the rear tire still touches the ground on the center stand using the Austone (and now the Maxxis) tire, so it has to be taller, and websites list the height as 26.9", stock height of the 160/80/16 is 26.1.

The Multivan is very close to OEM height, but is almost1.5 inches wider, and I just keep hearing about some having rubbing issues with a 195 size tire.
The Multivan is also almost 1/2 the price of the taxi tire, so that makes it more attractive as well.

I have a few more months till I need to replace my rear, so since I am going to mail order it, I need to decide soon.


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blupupher wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 10:28 am I have a few more months till I need to replace my rear, so since I am going to mail order it, I need to decide soon.
Im in a similar situation. I've yet to put any real mileage on my new to me 1500.
Going to dark side the back but want to put miles on the MC tires first so I can decide for myself what suits me best.
To that end I've been reading all the postive about darksiding. Thanks and keep posting about the power of the Dark Side,, lol.
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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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blupupher wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 10:28 am
Everything I have read is that the Taxi tire is taller than stock (it is listed as a 175R16, but every one says it measures as a 175/80/16).
Several people mention that the rear tire still touches the ground on the center stand using the Austone (and now the Maxxis) tire, so it has to be taller, and websites list the height as 26.9", stock height of the 160/80/16 is 26.1.
I am running the Austone taxi tire right now on my '99 1500.
I can tell you that the tire DOES NOT touch the ground when the bike is on the center stand.
I still have plenty of room to spin the wheel for cleaning or airing it up.
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bought this tire couple months ago will sell it for $100 + shipping [ i tried to put on gl1800 dummy me didnt do enough research it hit front of swing arm] message if interested . first time adding pics hope it works!!!
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jimm4 wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 3:54 pm bought this tire couple months ago will sell it for $100 + shipping [ i tried to put on gl1800 dummy me didnt do enough research it hit front of swing arm] message if interested . first time adding pics hope it works!!!
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offcenter wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 3:00 pm I am running the Austone taxi tire right now on my '99 1500.
I can tell you that the tire DOES NOT touch the ground when the bike is on the center stand.
I still have plenty of room to spin the wheel for cleaning or airing it up.
Interesting, I am going by these 2 posts from this thread:
erkmann wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:11 pm My GL1500 rear wheel with the Maxxis Blackwell touches the ground when on the center stand, cannot be rotated e.g. to find the valve stem. ...
WingAdmin wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:37 pm My Austone Taxi Tire is the same - it just barely touches the ground on the center stand.

I park my bike with the center stand on a piece of 3/4" plywood, which lifts the wheel enough to let me rotate it.
Regardless, the Maxxis is a 175/80/16 tire, and that is a taller tire than the stock size.

If I get the deal worked out with @jimm4, it is a moot point because that is what I will be going with.
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Re: Darkside: No Taxi Tire...now what?

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flyingdragracer wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 10:19 pm All of the Taxi tires I have seen are actually smaller than the original equipment tire. Which is one of the reasons I liked the Multivan tire it is almost exact to the original equipment tire diameter. there should be no change in highway RPM or any losses of torque.
Actually it's the opposite. The Austone Taxi tire is larger than OEM, which is why you get a) lower RPM, b) slightly higher ride height, and c) in some cases, rubbing on the inner fender when suspension compresses.
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I wasn't specifying the Austone taxi tire. I said all of the taxi tires "I" have seen which include the various 16 inch tires that I have cross referenced either being way to big or small. The multivan tire is based on diameter nearly perfect to original. which is what I wanted. Secondly I mounted mine today along with changing timing belts brake pads oil etc and it clears in both diameter and width. I will post pictures asap.
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.... double darkside tires....on the front I use a conti GO! 130/70-18 rear ( mounted backwards) and on the rear I have used ,federal,goodyear,radar, but the latest is a duraturn travia van tire 185/75R16 8 ply fits great no rubbing but is easier to install without air to pass the shaft housing..I use 33psi in both have about 300 mi on this set-up and love it...just my personal preference just throwing it out there and I know people will argue about this but I was raised that YOU are responsible for you own choices...
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Thank you for the post!
I read somewhere else about the 185/75-16 working well. It was a different brand, Nokian and there was some rubbing to deal with but happy with feel.
Im looking at Darksiding the rear in the next month or so and reading everything I can. My biggest problem is access to most of the tires with great reviews. The closed border limits my choices!
So far the 195/55-16 is the only size available to me but I would like a taller one,,, I think.
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walmart carries the federal and nokian in 185/75-16 size at their website not sure about the store
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sorry for the second post but had power outage...I got the duraturn 185/75R16 from simpletire.com was $98 to the door.
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Hello everyone I finally have my 98 1500 back together off the lift and on the road. After some pretty extensive maintenance Timing Belts/water pump leak repair/valve cover gaskets/valve adjust/driveshaft lube/exhaust repairs.broken studs and leaking gaskets/new avon elite 4 front tire and an automotive multivan tire on rear available at this link

https://www.ebay.com/itm/263835509921

I have performed my first test ride 1 up for a few miles and the first couple miles i felt as if the rear tire was spinning or slipping on ice. It felt as thought the rear end was fishtailing. This was in my opinion the result of the tire walking about the ridges or swells left by heavy truck traffic actually rutting the pavement. After a couple miles I came to the conclusion that the automotive rear tire is actually less violent in this situation versus a motorcycle tire on the rear. The motorcycle tire at times will violently kick or wiggle under you,where as the car tire does the same thing but in a much slower less violent action.
So i proceeded on fro a few more miles getting up to speed 60/65 for a mile or so all felt stable then incrementally on up to 90. When all was said and done i felt very comfortable with the above referenced tire.

So today my wife and went for about a 2 hour ride of which she and i combined are over the Honda weight maximums as most of us are when riding 2 up. So far I have found only 1 complaint about the automotive rear tire mounted on the rear of a GL 1500. With bike on the center stand and rear shock pressure set at 45 pounds the rear tire pressure set at 60 psi and 2 up as previously stated I do get a very slight rub but only when hitting a bump or dip causing the suspension to fully compress.

Will I replace this tire with another if I ever wear it. Based on the results I have seen this far I most definitely will.
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my personal set-up is 54psi in rear shock and 33 in rear tire (185/75R16 Duraturn) I have had no rubbing on anything ,I am not small... so I am sure when we both ride with all the stuff we pack we are over the limit as well....as for handling I live in east tn mountains and rode the rattler yesterday with no issues...
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Well Im on a serious hunt now!
Found a couple diagonal white lines on the rear tire
today (ya cords!)
So gonna pull it apart in the morning and see what I can find. Will do all the maintenance in there as well.
Going to use the tip the bags up procedure.
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Hey Sassy,if you have a method of raising the bike off the ground high enough its much easier to just let the rear tire drop out the bottom. I put mine on a motorcycle lift and place on the center stand and let the rear tire hang over the rear edge. After you raise the lift you have plenty of clearance for the tire to drop out the bottom.

2nd Option lay bike on its side against the guards and remove tire.

3rd option raise the bags as you stated. However I tried that once and it will work,however getting the bolts started back when you let the bags back down can be a real problem. You may find it easier to remove the side bags before raising the assembly. It just makes removing and reinstalling the bolts much easier.
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I just plan on taking both saddlebags off when I do my tire, partially because I plan on servicing my air pump, so left side needs to come off anyway, and will pull the right side off just to clean up and access to items under there (as well as easier access to lube the spline).
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Ya, I don't have the best work area but got it apart.
Pulled the passenger floor boards and crash bars too.
Pulled driveshaft drained gearoil, new brake pads etc.
Looks like I'll be getting a 195/55-16 tire. Seems to be the only size I can
get here in Canada at the moment.
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We ride the same color Wing,rejoice in the fact that you have a work area to use my friend and have the determination to use it and keep these ol horses running.
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So.......how are you guys having your tires mounted? Are you mounting it yourself or are you having a shop mount it? If you're having a shop mount it, are they hesitant to mount a car tire on motorcycle rim? I want to try going darkside when I change my rear tire.
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I mount my own did on 1500 and 1800 of course depends on what you have to work with. cyclegear ballanced them but i use beeds now.
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GWJTurner, I think there is a general hesitancy for shops to show no interest in putting a car tire on a motorcycle rim. I looked around until I found a guy at a big national chain shop who himself was a rider. No problem. Maybe check w dark-siders in your area. Local GWRRA chapter likely has someone who would do it for you.
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gwjturner wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:12 pm So.......how are you guys having your tires mounted? Are you mounting it yourself or are you having a shop mount it? If you're having a shop mount it, are they hesitant to mount a car tire on motorcycle rim? I want to try going darkside when I change my rear tire.
I mount them myself - here's how: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=43239
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Well after reading everything you guys have posted about sizing , rubbing, handling, and what's available to me because of covid I stopped at my favorite tire store for a discussion,,, about the forth one on this subject,,, and ordered a tire!
I wouldve ordered a 185/75 if the border was open.
People also like 195/65 but not available to me either. The 195/55 works but its a couple inches shorter than stock so harder to get on center stand which I use a lot. I searched a 195/60, still short but not as bad, there in a couple days and $93 so.
Will have the bike back on the road by the weekend with a review of fitment and handling,,, or a sad story of money wasted.
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Sassy I think you will probably come to the same conclusion as I did. Its not that the car tire provides a better riding experience over a MC tire. Its that the riding experience is much the same with a higher degree of safety and at a much lower cost.
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Sassy wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:41 am Well after reading everything you guys have posted about sizing , rubbing, handling, and what's available to me because of covid I stopped at my favorite tire store for a discussion,,, about the forth one on this subject,,, and ordered a tire!
I wouldve ordered a 185/75 if the border was open.
People also like 195/65 but not available to me either. The 195/55 works but its a couple inches shorter than stock so harder to get on center stand which I use a lot. I searched a 195/60, still short but not as bad, there in a couple days and $93 so.
Will have the bike back on the road by the weekend with a review of fitment and handling,,, or a sad story of money wasted.
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