Pros and cons of back off brake unit


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Pros and cons of back off brake unit

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I am installing a backoff brake unit w/o any instructions and while I've figured out how it should be wired I can't decide if I want to make all of the brake lights flash or just two. Anyone got any suggestions?


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Re: Pros and cons of back off brake unit

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Did you get the 1009?

I favored Mode2 just using the two brake lights in the travel trunk, left & right. This mode emits a 4 alternating 'wig-wag' flashes to each brake light, followed by 3 flashes of both brake lights … and then a steady brake light until the brakes are released.

I do not want my brake lights to start flashing again once stopped. I watch the mirrors, I can restart the pattern with the brake pedal or lever if I think needed, but if a maybe preoccupied driver behind me at a light sees my brake lights go off , the driver may be startled and start to move thinking I am.

I put one on my '85 GL1200 also. The 1200 did not have a spoiler or spoiler light. On the 1200, I only hooked it in with the same two brake lights mounted in the trunk light ... leaving the lower brake lights to come on & stay on.

On the trike, I have a separate spoiler mounted LED brake light controller, controller is under trunk, two wires, just controls spoiler light. It flashes 3 or so times, then goes solid red too.

My lower fender mount brake lights come on solid red, stay solid red as long as pedal or lever is actuated. In the lower "light bar/bumper" of the trike are 6 trapezoid shaped lights, each has two bulbs. The 6 lower bulbs are wired with the running or "tail" lights, the 6 upper bulbs are wired in with the two fender mount brake lights.

This set up complies with law … as I have brake lamps that come on and stay on brightly with brakes, much as drivers behind expect, while the short flashes of the trunk lights grabs their attention … on application … & at eye level too!
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Re: Pros and cons of back off brake unit

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That's what I was thinking, just do the trunk lights, have the best of both worlds. Thanks for the advice.
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Re: Pros and cons of back off brake unit

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Often when anticipating a stop, not an emergency, but for a light or stop sign, etc … I'll pull the front brake lever just activate the sequence, hold lightly for 3-4 seconds, release & re-apply when actually slowing. You will likely hear it working in your headset, I know I do.

I have some wiring diagrams, reason I asked about model #. Maybe you already found them on line?



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The unit was installed by the po with a trailer hitch and somewhere along the way it got disconnected. It was literally plugged into itself with no input from the bike. I have a Honda manual so I have a wiring diagram but couldn't decide what lights to operate with it. All of this was caused by the wires to the trailer plug coming loose when I had the rear wheel off to replace the tire and I realized the lights below the tag weren't working and round and around I went.
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PO's Ya gotta love em.

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Re: Pros and cons of back off brake unit

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Oh, I guess you know then that … not all the wires get used?

With the WIG-WAG one (#1009) you choose the Orange input for Mode 2 … or … the Red input for Mode 1, but the unused input get's capped off. Output side … RED with white tracer to a right brake light & the WHITE with red tracer wire to a left brake light.

With the XP (#1004) you choose the Mode by your choice of output wires, either the RED with white tracer (mode 2)or the WHITE with red tracer wire (mode1). Solid Red is input.

Black to chassis ground on both Wig-Wag & XP versions.

Also, I see they rated them at 10 amp draw to lights.

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I guess this one is an antique, it only has two wires. Easy.
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Two wires total or two wires plus ground?

The one on my spoiler LED is total three wires, one black comes in for grounding it, a red one ties to a brake lamp, third goes to spoiler brake light side.
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Had a backoff setup to wigwag on my bike for awhile. Worked good and never had any issues with LEOs. It was actually the opposite. I had LEOs follow me short distances when i happened to coincidentally be near a traffic accidents thinking i was a patrol bike. They quickly realized what i was and moved past me but i that never sat well with me so i unhooked it. I still have a trailblazer hooked up to my spoiler and thats enough for me. Truth is i had people tailgate me with and without the wigwag connected. And having a vehicle hit me from behind was and is my biggest worry. I can post up a youtube video of my bike with the wigwag if its any help. They arent too hard to wire in. :)
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CrystalPistol wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:25 pm
Two wires total or two wires plus ground?

The one on my spoiler LED is total three wires, one black comes in for grounding it, a red one ties to a brake lamp, third goes to spoiler brake light side.
Mine has two wires total, one in one out.
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I'm thinkin maybe mine has 4 wires. 1 ground 1 power and 1 wire for the different modes you can use.




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Swagonmaster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:43 pm
CrystalPistol wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:25 pm
Two wires total or two wires plus ground?

The one on my spoiler LED is total three wires, one black comes in for grounding it, a red one ties to a brake lamp, third goes to spoiler brake light side.
Mine has two wires total, one in one out.
No ground huh? Odd how that will … if it does … work?
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Not sure how but it gives three short flashes then a long one and then repeats. Not sure if it has a limit on how many cycles it does this or if it just continues till you get off the brake, so far I think it continues. The original owner really farkeled the bike back in 1990 so it could be that old.
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I installed the XP last spring, when I installed all LED lighting (half my instrument cluster was out, so...). Opted for mode 1, on all brake lights. I don't have a spoiler to opt for just that brake light. Mounted mine under the seat, where I tapped into the brake wire.
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You can see my spoiler-only brake flasher here. It's quite visible:



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There are now LED BULBS with built in flashers. Doesn’t require a separate module. That is what I added to my 2008. Bulbs flash 5 times when applied, then go solid !!

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wingpilot08 wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:23 am
There are now LED BULBS with built in flashers. Doesn’t require a separate module. That is what I added to my 2008. Bulbs flash 5 times when applied, then go solid !!

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipO ... Cy6cVztUId
That link does not work, but this one should, viewtopic.php?f=7&t=54139&p=321559#p321559 , it is to a post I made a while back when I installed the lights with built in flashers on my 2013.
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Hello, I put this on my GL1100I. The white wire is the one that makes the turn signal bulb brighter when you put on the brakes. However when I was pressing on the brakes and turned on the turn signal the bulb would short out! The fix was to not connect the white wire. I also figured out that I didn't need the turn signal bulb to do anything else other than be a turn signal. Maybe if the turn signal bulb is flashing or pulsating that would confuse some one not familiar with motorcycle indicators. On another note I did install another module that turns the turn signals on while riding and it allows for normal signal bulb use. Most motorcycle have just the one tail light, and the turn signal bulb module makes your motorcycle more visible especially at night. I also put another module in behind the headlight that flashes the headlight during the day. Looks like a police bike. And the idiots do slow down after speeding past me or they put their phone down! I also wired a led strip brake and turn signal and zip ties to the metal bar just under the rear trunk. I also wired the headlight module to a waterproof switch to the handle bar in case some L.E.O. doesn't like it. However legal in all 50 states. I also have a custom schematic for the shop. Everything is on quick disconnect waterproof plugs, in case they need to be replaced. I also have a flashing light on the back of my helmet. That's supposed to work via Bluetooth to that module for brake and turn, however I couldn't get it to synch, so I set it for flash mode. I also have valve caps with reflectors in the top. Makes you wheels look like a Tron bike at night. I also use safety stripe jackets and boots. I also mounted on a relay wired lighted switch a set of fog lights with led bulbs and a 4 light bracket on back for extra tail lights. Now the fairing has 2 mirrors and I also added 2 more. 1 on the brake master cylinder and 1 on the clutch handle bracket. The fairing mirrors I put the little round blind spot stick on. All these things I feel safer knowing that I can see well and be seen. If not I give them a blast from the fiam freeway blaster horns mounted inside the lower cowiling on a wired relay. That gets their attention. Sounds like a locomotive. Good luck God bless and didn't think that because that car has a turn signal on that they are actually going to turn it may go the other way!

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M61A1MECH wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:27 am
wingpilot08 wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:23 am
There are now LED BULBS with built in flashers. Doesn’t require a separate module. That is what I added to my 2008. Bulbs flash 5 times when applied, then go solid !!

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipO ... Cy6cVztUId
That link does not work, but this one should, viewtopic.php?f=7&t=54139&p=321559#p321559 , it is to a post I made a while back when I installed the lights with built in flashers on my 2013.
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If you are looking for a low cost 'back off' unit, take a look at this one offered on Amazon for $20: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FA ... UTF8&psc=1

Put this on my 2013 Goldwing last year and have it operate the spoiler lights only since they are higher than the trunk lights. This device is programmable so you can set the speed of flash and the number of times it flashes. The two wires to do the programming get shorted together to set the parameters. I added a small push-button switch that I stick up behind my license plate so I can change the program more easily on the fly. So far works great.

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wingpilot08 wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:23 am
There are now LED BULBS with built in flashers. Doesn’t require a separate module. That is what I added to my 2008. Bulbs flash 5 times when applied, then go solid !!
I put those in my wife's Burgman as well, they work great!

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I ordered two sets each of "7443 LED Strobe Flashing Blinking Brake Tail Light Or Parking Bulbs" from two different online dealers. Turned out they were the same bulbs (just from different dealers) and I love them! They blink five sets of five times and then go solid; and they're actually brighter than my original bulbs. Paid only ~$12 for each set with free shipping on eBay. The second complete set I gave to a friend and he's using them on his '08 as well.

Seems too simple for me. Why change or add more wiring when you can simply swap out flashing/then solid LED bulbs for the original bulbs?



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The flashing lamps look interesting. I googled the number and got several different vendors, but like the previous poster said, all the lamps appear to be the same.

If installing the flashing "modulator", where do you physically put/install the modulator?

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I have one installed on my 2010 Goldwing. A couple of people I ride with say it can be confusing as to what I am doing. All of the flashing lights combined with my turn signals which are yellow can be confusing apparently. However, I feel that safety advantage is worth the supposed confusion. I also have the headlight flasher installed and seems to have cut down on people turning or pulling out in front of me.



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