Pathfinder H4 Headlight Replacement Installation Issue


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Pathfinder H4 Headlight Replacement Installation Issue

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I picked up a Pathfinder H4 LED Headlight replacement kit from Cyclemax for my 99 Aspencade. These don't require any drivers and don't have any external heatsinks, they are supposed to be "plug and play". But I've run into a bit of a snag and I'm not sure how to proceed.

The newest Pathfinder kit looks different from previous models listed here in the forums. They are one piece, don't have a removable heatsink, etc. They just have a plastic brace that holds the LED and the LED itself. The kit from Cyclemax included the shims to make them properly fit on my 99. I got everything off fine, I trimmed the original housing and put on the metal shims so they fit properly. I put the bracing clasp back on over the housing and it's locked firmly in place. But my problem is this. The next step is supposed to be inserting the LED all the way into the housing and turning clockwise so it locks. But when I start putting the LED's into the housing, the metal heatsink that's part of the LED itself starts hitting the bracing clip. Even assuming I kept putting pressure on it so that it went in all the way, I can't turn it clockwise because the fins hit the clasp and won't turn properly. Pictures below....

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I looked at those bulbs on the Cyclemax site and it says the heatsink separates from the bulb for easy installation. It sounds like from that description, that you have to remove the heatsink when you install the bulb and then put the heatsink back on after installation. Did you do that?
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The bulbs from the kit that I got don't have a removable heatsink. The kit that WingAdmin reviewed did have removable heatsinks on them, but mine doesn't. So there's nothing to remove outside of the housing that sits in the headlight cavity.

This is the old style:


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As usual, you are doing something wrong. You will just have to figure out what it is.
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MikeB wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:11 pm As usual, you are doing something wrong. You will just have to figure out what it is.
As usual?

I'll take a picture of the instructions, which only have 4 steps, and you can tell me how I'm doing something wrong, "as usual".
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MikeB wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:11 pm As usual, you are doing something wrong. You will just have to figure out what it is.
Ok Mike, here are the instructions. Please show me where I'm doing something wrong "as usual".




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It appears that you have the Black H4 Ring Adapter in backwards. The sleeve faces aft.
Looks like you have the sleeve inside the headlight assembly facing towards the lens.
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MikeB wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:13 pm It appears that you have the Black H4 Ring Adapter in backwards. The sleeve faces aft.
Looks like you have the sleeve inside the headlight assembly facing towards the lens.
That's correct - I just had a look, and that's what I saw in the pictures as well. That sleeve is used as a spacer. If it's in backwards, the light won't install for the reason you're encountering.
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zeoran wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:07 am
MikeB wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:11 pm As usual, you are doing something wrong. You will just have to figure out what it is.
Ok Mike, here are the instructions. Please show me where I'm doing something wrong "as usual".

Pathfinder Instructions 2.jpgPathfinder Instructions 1.jpg
Did you get your headlight installation completed and are you satisfied with the light output?
What was keeping you from getting the the light in and the retaining wire hooked up?
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I got it installed.

The overall brightness is fine but there doesn't seem to be any actual "high" beams. When I hit the switch, it bumps the light up a tiny bit but not the proper amount like it did with the stock Halogen. I know that the LED's aren't installed upside down or anything like that. Not sure if it's indicative of LED's in general or just this particular kit.
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I copied this from the Cyclemax website description... "These kits are rated at 4000 lumens per bulb when either low beam or high beam is on."

It appears that they operate the same way as HID lamps. The light is the same intensity for both high and low beams. They simply reposition it for the high beam. You'll notice a lot of vehicles on the road that have that sharp cut-off for the low beam.. that is why. Brighter low beam without blinding oncoming traffic. High beam just opens the flood gates, so to speak.
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Fiberthree wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:18 am I copied this from the Cyclemax website description... "These kits are rated at 4000 lumens per bulb when either low beam or high beam is on."

It appears that they operate the same way as HID lamps. The light is the same intensity for both high and low beams. They simply reposition it for the high beam. You'll notice a lot of vehicles on the road that have that sharp cut-off for the low beam.. that is why. Brighter low beam without blinding oncoming traffic. High beam just opens the flood gates, so to speak.
Actually, no. They have two sets of LEDS on each side of the light, and they are identical in terms of power output. Either one or the other is on at any one time. One is positioned where the low beam filament would be on a halogen bulb, and there is a small piece of metal to block that light from getting to the high beam portion of the reflector. The other LED is positioned where the high beam filament would be on a halogen bulb, and does not have any metal to block the light.

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Mine has two sets of LED's but no metal piece.


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The only information I could find from Cyclemax and Pathfinder just show one side of the unit. There is no indication of, nor mention of two banks of LEDs. I'm not disputing that there could be LEDs on the other side, I can only see the indent on one half. Plus I only looked at the model that zeoran purchased. (He did mention that the units he has were a different style from Scott's.) Which raises the question of how they operate. Do they illuminate all the LEDs for high beams or just switch from one set to the other? If I remember correctly the incandescent bulbs, like the sealed beam and halogen bulbs, actually had two wattage ratings. Pathfinder LEDs list the same lumin rating for high and low so if both sets aren't on for high beam they are just re-aiming the light.
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zeoran wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:16 pm I got it installed.

The overall brightness is fine but there doesn't seem to be any actual "high" beams. When I hit the switch, it bumps the light up a tiny bit but not the proper amount like it did with the stock Halogen. I know that the LED's aren't installed upside down or anything like that. Not sure if it's indicative of LED's in general or just this particular kit.
I just installed these lights on my bike. Just curious if your kit had the LEDS just on one side of the unit and not the top and bottom. Mine has the LEDS just on one side so when I put them in the housing I put the LEDS facing up. My question is this the proper way or should have I put the LEDS facing the bottom of the headlight housing?? There was no direction in the instruction manual on the orientation of the LEDS. Thank you for your help!
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Hello
I bought the same kit
I like to ask you what is your experience with this kit
My experience with this set very bed experience
No low beam no I-beam the original The halogen bulb much better
‏thank you for the answer
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Arnon wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:28 pm Hello
I bought the same kit
I like to ask you what is your experience with this kit
My experience with this set very bed experience
No low beam no I-beam the original The halogen bulb much better
‏thank you for the answer
There must be a problem with yours - in my GL1500, they are excellent, and put out far more light than halogen bulbs.
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Led/halogen ... I don't see the difference
Led/halogen ... I don't see the difference

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I see a difference in light pattern but not light intensity.
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Fiberthree wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:56 pm I see a difference in light pattern but not light intensity.
It's very difficult to see a difference in light intensity in photographs, as cameras will automatically adjust their exposure, making everything look the same. When I did my comparison, I used my DSLR and set the aperture and exposure to manual, to prevent this and give a realistic difference in brightness.

In the real world, the actual (measured amount of light) and apparent (subjective brightness) brightness are FAR higher with LEDs. Their whitish output makes them look brighter, and the actual amount of light that comes out of modern LED bulbs is pretty much triple that of halogen bulbs. The H4 high beam element of a standard halogen bulb puts out about 1,900 lumens. The SoCalMotogear Pathfinder LEDs that I have in my GL1500 put out 6,000 lumens. The difference is like night and day, literally.

If you put LED headlight bulbs in your bike and they seem to be about the same intensity as the original halogen bulbs, then your LEDs are either defective, or cheap knockoffs. Inexpensive "eBay" and no-name Amazon LED bulbs often use cheap LEDs that do not put out much light. Quality name-brand LED bulbs like the SocalMotogear bulbs put out a TON of light.
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Like i said before i put Pathfinder H4
The new set.


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The new set (got directly from SoCalMotoGear) only has LEDs on one side. The old set looked just like OEM as far as barrel layout.

Had to grab a pair of el cheap LED H4s from Amazon when the newest ones were on back order at SoCal. Cheap ones had the same design as the older Pathfinders I had. When they die Ill try to install the new ones to see how they do.


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