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1990 Honda Goldwing GL No power at Key

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Looking for a little help. My 1990 Honda Goldwing was working fine had it out for a ride came home put it away went out today no power at the key no dash lights no headlight totally dead. First thing I did was to check the fuses and everything seemed fine. Still no power, checked the battery and cleaned the terminals connected everything and the bike than had power. Started the bike it ran for a bit than stalled tried to restart again no power at the key no lights nothing anyone have any idea what I should be looking for? any help would be appreciated.....



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There is a dogbone fuse to the right of the battery that can develope hairline cracks as it ages and will work intermittantly. Just a thought.

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dandy52002 wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:04 pm
Looking for a little help. My 1990 Honda Goldwing was working fine had it out for a ride came home put it away went out today no power at the key no dash lights no headlight totally dead. First thing I did was to check the fuses and everything seemed fine. Still no power, checked the battery and cleaned the terminals connected everything and the bike than had power. Started the bike it ran for a bit than stalled tried to restart again no power at the key no lights nothing anyone have any idea what I should be looking for? any help would be appreciated.....
You need a voltmeter. You need to check the battery while it is static and when the bike is running if it will run.
With the bike not running, is your battery voltage 12.5 volts or more? If not, charge the battery or replace it.
With the bike running, the battery voltage should be almost 14 volts or more?

Those measurements should tell you a couple of things. Static 12.5 volts or more - Good Battery
Bike running - 13 to 14 volts are battery, the alternator is working properly.
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another thing to try is a bit of wiggling/jiggling of the key. if it comes back to life doing this then you probably have a problem in the ignition switch area.

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Thank you for your reply's I haven't resolved the issue yet. I did clean the battery terminals and reattached them the bike came to life stalled and than there was no power. I will try your suggestions and see what happens. Thanks again for your reply's.

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I didn't think the 1500's still had the dogbane fuses, but if they do, I'd bet good money that's your problem. When you pulled and cleaned the battery cables, you probably moved the fuse and made it happy for a moment. If that's what you find, replace it with an inline blade type fuse. There should be another right behind it, I'd replace both. Good luck.
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Yes, the GL1500 has the dog bone fuse and a spare as well.


However, if there is a second fuse behind the one that is in the circuit, that would indicate that a Compufire Alternator had been installed at one time. The Compufire came with a pair of 55 amp fuses and washers so that the fuses could be installed in tandem. There was a lot of talk from many tech people as to why they wanted both to be installed but there never seemed to be a consensus as to the validity or necessity of it.

Yes, those dog bone fuses do crack and fail on occasion it is is pretty hard to tell that they have failed at first glance.
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Thank you for your reply I do appreciate your help. I have been able to pinpoint where the problem is and have added a photo for you to see for your self. When I was looking for the problem I found that if I moved things around this fuse pictured the bike got power. I don't know mechanics do its impossible for me to say what this thing is. the photo I have attached is showing a fuse along side a switch of some kind and I believe this is where the problem is. The switch looks like it could be a solenoid but I don't know and if you know can you tell me and if so do I need to replace this or is there possibley a broken wire any help would be appreciated. I know this is where the problem is because when I moved things around the bike came to life. Thanks again for any input you can provide.
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Ok, see the large red cable coming from the battery to that thing that looks like a switch. That switch looking thing is the dog bone fuse. The main power for the bike runs through that and if it has a micro crack, things will go dead.
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Thank you for your reply I still have one question, I got my bike running it got power. Are you saying the dog bone fuse is going and that's why at times there is no power at the key? I managed to get power to the key by touching something behind the mainfuse shown in the photo. I am planning to replace the dogbone fuse I see there is another way to replace this with a fuse as shown below can you tell me what this is called? I found this Photo.....
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Yeah, if the dog bone is getting thin, and that happens, it will act up. What you're showing is just another version on an inline fuse holder like the one you have on your battery bracket. That's just a blade type fuse. Remove the dog bone and attach the in line fuse holder just like in your picture there. That should fix you up.
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I may be way off on this, but the connection at the battery cable where it attaches to the piece on the battery terminal looks a little funny to me. I can see that the insulation on the cable has been cut back some which makes me think that this could be an aftermarket cable end. If it is, make sure that the cable is tight inside that end. I recently discovered that the main battery ground on my 1983 GL1100 was loose. I tightened it back up, but have yet to rebuild the front calipers to get to ride it. That' s why the previous owner thought that it wasn't charging the battery.

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I believe I have found the issue related to my no power at key. I changed nout the Dog bone fuse the bike still had the same issue. I believe the issue is a loose connection starter solenoid. My question is this if the solenoid has a loose connection does this mean I should change the solenoid or is the solenoid still working? I have managed to get the bike powered by pressing down on the top of the solenoid. I just don't know if I should replace the hole unit. Any help would be appreciated.

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I would say that it depends. If you can get it to tighten up and not move while always working, then it should be fine. If it's still loose, or if it works sometimes and doesn't other times, then change it out.

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Once again thank you for your reply. I managed to get the bike running and today took it out for a test run. It appears that something is still loose with the solenoid relay is still malfunctioning. I was riding and hit a bump and the bike died, I am thinking I need to replace the solenoid something must be wrong with it I did manage to get power back to the bike got it home and put away. Figure the best thing to do is to replace the solenoid with a new one any thoughts......

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dandy52002 wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:04 pm
Looking for a little help. My 1990 Honda Goldwing …. etc ….
I think, based on your other posts, you have a loose connection there.
MikeB wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:23 pm


However, if there is a second fuse behind the one that is in the circuit, that would indicate that a Compufire Alternator had been installed at one time. The Compufire came with a pair of 55 amp fuses and washers so that the fuses could be installed in tandem. There was a lot of talk from many tech people as to why they wanted both to be installed but there never seemed to be a consensus as to the validity or necessity of it.
Mine did / does and instructions just say do it. I have seen posts where fellow substituted a 70 amp circuit breaker. I think they wanted the two fuses to share charge loads to the battery capable with the Comp-u-Fire?

Cracks? I have had the short 30amp dog bone fuse in my old 1200 crack, but these on the 1500 are longer. I figured the crack was due to the different expansion rates of the plastic holder and metal fuse being screwed together, perhaps the longer one's allowed more flex?
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Unless you are planning on installing an arc welder in the trunk of your GW you will NEVER see the max output of that Compufire, which isn't reached until 4000-5000 RPM anyway. As to the pair of fuses with the Compufire, one is intended as a spare.

The entire point of the high output alternator is to have better output at idle/low RPM.

The bike systems, lighting (Stock incandescent) and accessories draw on the order of 15-20 amps total. The battery might draw a charge current of another 3-5 amps at 14v.

The stock 40 amp alternator can maybe output 15 amps at idle RPM, not enough to fully power the bike, so the difference is taken from the battery while idling, you are slowly discharging the battery.

The High Output alternator can do more like 30 amps at idle RPM, this is more than the bike systems need plus the 3-5 amps for battery charging, so the regulator can cut the output back to only what is needed, and you are still charging the battery, even at idle.

The entire point of the 55 Amp fuse is to protect bike wiring in case of a short somewhere. I wouldn't change the value to anything higher. - "The wiring melted to protect the fuse".
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DenverWinger wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:39 am
Unless you are planning on installing an arc welder in the trunk … etc …
The High Output alternator can do more like 30 amps at idle RPM, this is more than the bike systems need plus the 3-5 amps for battery charging, so the regulator can cut the output back to only what is needed, and you are still charging the battery, even at idle.

The entire point of the 55 Amp fuse is to protect bike wiring in case of a short somewhere. I wouldn't change the value to anything higher. - "The wiring melted to protect the fuse".
Oh …. I know. They claim 60 amps at idle, I only know it's ample. I still do not "know" why they insist on doubling the fuses. I've studied the schematics, I just don't see it?
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CrystalPistol wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:39 pm
DenverWinger wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:39 am
Unless you are planning on installing an arc welder in the trunk … etc …
The High Output alternator can do more like 30 amps at idle RPM, this is more than the bike systems need plus the 3-5 amps for battery charging, so the regulator can cut the output back to only what is needed, and you are still charging the battery, even at idle.

The entire point of the 55 Amp fuse is to protect bike wiring in case of a short somewhere. I wouldn't change the value to anything higher. - "The wiring melted to protect the fuse".
Oh …. I know. They claim 60 amps at idle, I only know it's ample. I still do not "know" why they insist on doubling the fuses. I've studied the schematics, I just don't see it?
Most likely because there are no 110 Amp dog bone fuses on the market.
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MikeB wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:22 pm


Most likely because there are no 110 Amp dog bone fuses on the market.
My guess too.

I did have a copy of a post I saw years ago where fellow installed a 70 amp automotive fuse (as I recall), then NAPA 782-1344 in the place of the 55 amp long fuse. I don't know if discontinued or superceded, but can't find a listing for it now but there is Littelfuse 0PAL270.XP PAL 13/16 Bent 32 Volt 70 Amp Carded Auto Link Fuse? I do recall he was pleased. I've considered using one in 70 or 80 amp rating myself.


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You just reminded me that I saw the same post many years ago. So, I went out and promptly bought two of those fuses, put them away for later and then never did install them. I've still got the the two 55 Amp dog bones installed.


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Finally I have resolved the issue of no power. I thought it was a problem with the solenoid but as things turned out it was a faulty 30 amp fuse. which is attached to the solenoid. This was hard to understand as I took the fuse out and looked at it and where you check to see if the fuse is blown all looked good except one side of the fuse was bowlegged out and just didn't look right. I replaced the fuse and the bike now has full power and does not die if you hit a bump in the road. Just thought I would let all of you know what my problem was hope that can help someone else if they end up with the same problem. Thank you everyone for all your help I do appreciate all the support........

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I just put one of these testable/resettable circuit breakers into my wife's van. They come in all different sizes. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't also work well in this application. Could save being stranded somewhere with a blown fuse and no replacement, it's easy to see if it's tripped, and it's a great way to easily shut off all power for maintenance work with a push of a button:

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I have a similar problem, but I fairly certain I know what it is...

When I start the bike ('97 GL1500SE), occasionally, the dash does not come to life or if it does the radio doesn't work, or some other lights do not work, etc.

When I jiggle the key, sometimes that fixes it, or I turn the key and restart the bike, that fixes it.

I am fairly certain it is the ignition switch. But I just do not have the time, or workspace, do fix it now.

I am in the middle of building my new home in TN, and if you do not already know this, the first year of building a home is the year of mud.

AND...

Last month I went for my very first ride in the TN mountains. It was the most beautiful ride I have ever been on, and I have been riding since the early '70s. BUT, as we got home, going up my rather steep gravel driveway at 5mph, which I have done a few times to be sure it was safe for the bike, I ran into a small patch of loose gravel that my son kicked up with my truck earlier in the day when I was on my ride. You know what happened, don't you? The whole bike went from under me and then slide down the gravel driveway. I lost my left-hand mirror, and the gravel really did a number on my left saddlebag. Again, I do not have the time, nor the workspace to fix it, so now my bike sits, under a cover, on the gravel and mud.

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ghostvet wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:51 pm
I have a similar problem, but I fairly certain I know what it is...

When I start the bike ('97 GL1500SE), occasionally, the dash does not come to life or if it does the radio doesn't work, or some other lights do not work, etc.

When I jiggle the key, sometimes that fixes it, or I turn the key and restart the bike, that fixes it.

I am fairly certain it is the ignition switch. But I just do not have the time, or workspace, do fix it now.

I am in the middle of building my new home in TN, and if you do not already know this, the first year of building a home is the year of mud.

AND...

Last month I went for my very first ride in the TN mountains. It was the most beautiful ride I have ever been on, and I have been riding since the early '70s. BUT, as we got home, going up my rather steep gravel driveway at 5mph, which I have done a few times to be sure it was safe for the bike, I ran into a small patch of loose gravel that my son kicked up with my truck earlier in the day when I was on my ride. You know what happened, don't you? The whole bike went from under me and then slide down the gravel driveway. I lost my left-hand mirror, and the gravel really did a number on my left saddlebag. Again, I do not have the time, nor the workspace to fix it, so now my bike sits, under a cover, on the gravel and mud.
My friend ... your luck sounds like mine... I have built a house and its a full time job...knowing winter is around the corner ... good luck and patience's



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