box under fuel tank?


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andcam
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box under fuel tank?

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Hi all,

I'm a new Gl1500 owner and your collective wisdom here has been invaluable to me! I'm going through doing some basic maintenance (brakes, fluids, bulbs etc) and familiarising myself with the bike and I can't identify what this is:





The black box, under the tank, with a white wire coming out of it connected to nowhere. An alarm perhaps, given what looks like a speaker/buzzer to the left of it? (there's no other signs of the bike being alarmed).

I have the Haynes manual and no clues from there (that I've found).

TIA!



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It doesn't look stock. Perhaps an aftermarket owner installed alarm system.
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Aftermarket security system for sure. The white wire is the antenna. Too bad if you don't have the key fob to use it.
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I think you're right. I'll trace back the cabling and see if I can rip it out.

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andcam wrote:
Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:01 am
I think you're right. I'll trace back the cabling and see if I can rip it out.
rip slowly, don't want to break something useful.
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for sure. hopefully there isn't an immobiliser, seems unlikely.
AZgl1800 wrote:
Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:49 am
rip slowly, don't want to break something useful.

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Couple thoughts before RIPPING it out.
Why not try and trace back to the previous and original owners, they might still have the FOB. Or at least tell you what make that alarm is to get a FOB.
You have an alarm install outlet who might know what it is by looking at it?
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Good point and I considered keeping it but I really don't need the alarm where I am and 30 years in it's another point of failure I'd rather do without on an aged bike.

it's not really viable in the UK to trace owners, unless I got extremely lucky making the plate public on social media... which I don't want to do.
FM-USA wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:23 am
Couple thoughts before RIPPING it out.
Why not try and trace back to the previous and original owners, they might still have the FOB. Or at least tell you what make that alarm is to get a FOB.
You have an alarm install outlet who might know what it is by looking at it?

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So it was indeed an alarm, as is pretty obvious now it's out! Was pretty simple to remove and reconnect the spliced ignition lines at the back of the fusebox.


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MY God !! Why do people hack into the main wiring on there bike ?? - There is much better way to wire stuff in on your wing we are now out of the dark ages -

Have a gander at this little gem Denali PowerHub2 Fuse Block w/wiring harness can bus compatible

Denali PowerHub2 Fuse Block w/wiring harness
The PowerHub2 Power Distribution Module, manufactured by Denali is made in the USA and allows you to safely connect up to 6 electronic devices to your motorcycle in a clean, workmanlike manner.

It's CANbus compatible and includes six 15-amp rated and fused outputs, six ground posts, and a plug-and-play wiring harness for direct battery hookup.

Each of the six outputs can be individually set as "always on" or "switched" on/off with the ignition of the motorcycle.


Instead of attaching multiple ring terminals to your battery, use a PowerHub2! Denali designed the CANbus-safe PowerHub2 to allow simple and easy installation of electrical components. Each unit has six individually fused outputs.

These are not your ordinary outputs. Simply plug the fuse in to the left or the right on the circuit board to make the accessory live all of the time or switched on/off with the bike's ignition. The entire unit is rated for 30 Amps (360 watts).

Each of the six circuits can handle up to 15A (180W) each - without exceeding a total sum of 30 Amps simultaneously.

Features: Replaceable 30 amp Tyco/Bosch micro relay Water-resistant Compact Durable Choice between switched and constant power Specs: Dimensions: L 3" x W 4" x H 1" 6 circuits can handle up to 15A (180W) each CANbus-compatible 60 inch long 10 gauge wiring harness with Posi-lock connector What's in the Box: PowerHub2 fuse block 2 ring terminals Wiring harness for connecting PowerHub2 to battery (includes switched "trigger" wire with Posi-tap connector)

Self-adhesive hook and loop pad for providing a quick-release attachment method for connecting the PowerHub2 to a flat surface
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Its safe pro looking and defo will not muck up your wiring either buy on ebay too !!

Lastly defo get rid of the alarm and buy a tracker instead more chance you can get the bike back again too !! even track it on your phone too !!!

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It wasn't hacked in for power feed. It was an immobiliser, diverting the ignition power.

Denali PowerHubs are overpriced IMHO. Just wire up a relay & fuse for a fraction of the cost!
wingdings wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:01 pm
MY God !! Why do people hack into the main wiring on there bike ?? - There is much better way to wire stuff in on your wing we are now out of the dark ages -

Have a gander at this little gem Denali PowerHub2 Fuse Block w/wiring harness can bus compatible

Denali PowerHub2 Fuse Block w/wiring harness
The PowerHub2 Power Distribution Module, manufactured by Denali is made in the USA and allows you to safely connect up to 6 electronic devices to your motorcycle in a clean, workmanlike manner.

It's CANbus compatible and includes six 15-amp rated and fused outputs, six ground posts, and a plug-and-play wiring harness for direct battery hookup.

Each of the six outputs can be individually set as "always on" or "switched" on/off with the ignition of the motorcycle.


Instead of attaching multiple ring terminals to your battery, use a PowerHub2! Denali designed the CANbus-safe PowerHub2 to allow simple and easy installation of electrical components. Each unit has six individually fused outputs.

These are not your ordinary outputs. Simply plug the fuse in to the left or the right on the circuit board to make the accessory live all of the time or switched on/off with the bike's ignition. The entire unit is rated for 30 Amps (360 watts).

Each of the six circuits can handle up to 15A (180W) each - without exceeding a total sum of 30 Amps simultaneously.

Features: Replaceable 30 amp Tyco/Bosch micro relay Water-resistant Compact Durable Choice between switched and constant power Specs: Dimensions: L 3" x W 4" x H 1" 6 circuits can handle up to 15A (180W) each CANbus-compatible 60 inch long 10 gauge wiring harness with Posi-lock connector What's in the Box: PowerHub2 fuse block 2 ring terminals Wiring harness for connecting PowerHub2 to battery (includes switched "trigger" wire with Posi-tap connector)

Self-adhesive hook and loop pad for providing a quick-release attachment method for connecting the PowerHub2 to a flat surface
CLICK ON THESE LINKS -



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Its safe pro looking and defo will not muck up your wiring either buy on ebay too !!

Lastly defo get rid of the alarm and buy a tracker instead more chance you can get the bike back again too !! even track it on your phone too !!!

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wingdings wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:01 pm
<...>Lastly defo get rid of the alarm and buy a tracker instead more chance you can get the bike back again too !! even track it on your phone too !!!
This is the third different situation I've read on forums about these types of devices (trackers, alarms, et. al.) on touring motorcycles there in Europe.

Explain to us the rationale that seems to put these types of devices on. I mean, is there a big, substantial insurance discount for these devices? Even more than the cost of having these installed and monitored by a firm?

900+ lbs/~400 kg is a little tougher (but not impossible) for a few big, strong guys to put into a vehicle and drive off with it. In the process, they've probably buggered up several hundred dollars of the really important stuff - the plastic body work.

Now, some 600cc squid-bike? Maybe stolen a bit easier, and can be parted out within hours (or in the case of where I am....across a border before sunrise) and, yeah that happens.

But, as I write - not much of this with Honda Goldwings here - yet.
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Did you know that on the 1500 wing it has three main ground blocks - I have seen it when people hack the into main wiring add loads of stuff onto the bike and burn out the ground block - Rendering the bike done in !! :cry: :cry: :cry: - When bought my wing there was a alarm on it with the birds nest wiring and soldered into the back of the main fuse board to boot .

I quite agree with you too !! wings are bloody heavy things - You will know this if yours has fell over and you have tried to pick it up !! - Or put it on the centre stand both require special technic's too do so.

I think also if they are going to steal it - They will !! - End of !!! - No manner of Alarms and trackers will stop them - I have seen alarms go off on bikes and cars people just ignore them and don't think twice either !! ??.

Trackers like alarms are mainly for reassurance and in some cases get your insurance discounted/ lowered on the bike by insurance company's for fitting them in the UK - Most of all they are for a piece of mind too !! .
You hope it will put the thief off and he will bugger off too !! .

Given too you can start a wing with a screw driver !! - I do see also why people worry about their wing too !!.



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andcam wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:34 pm
It wasn't hacked in for power feed. It was an immobiliser, diverting the ignition power.

Denali PowerHubs are overpriced IMHO. Just wire up a relay & fuse for a fraction of the cost!
wingdings wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:01 pm
MY God !! Why do people hack into the main wiring on there bike ?? - There is much better way to wire stuff in on your wing we are now out of the dark ages -

Have a gander at this little gem Denali PowerHub2 Fuse Block w/wiring harness can bus compatible

Denali PowerHub2 Fuse Block w/wiring harness
The PowerHub2 Power Distribution Module, manufactured by Denali is made in the USA and allows you to safely connect up to 6 electronic devices to your motorcycle in a clean, workmanlike manner.

It's CANbus compatible and includes six 15-amp rated and fused outputs, six ground posts, and a plug-and-play wiring harness for direct battery hookup.

Each of the six outputs can be individually set as "always on" or "switched" on/off with the ignition of the motorcycle.


Instead of attaching multiple ring terminals to your battery, use a PowerHub2! Denali designed the CANbus-safe PowerHub2 to allow simple and easy installation of electrical components. Each unit has six individually fused outputs.

These are not your ordinary outputs. Simply plug the fuse in to the left or the right on the circuit board to make the accessory live all of the time or switched on/off with the bike's ignition. The entire unit is rated for 30 Amps (360 watts).

Each of the six circuits can handle up to 15A (180W) each - without exceeding a total sum of 30 Amps simultaneously.

Features: Replaceable 30 amp Tyco/Bosch micro relay Water-resistant Compact Durable Choice between switched and constant power Specs: Dimensions: L 3" x W 4" x H 1" 6 circuits can handle up to 15A (180W) each CANbus-compatible 60 inch long 10 gauge wiring harness with Posi-lock connector What's in the Box: PowerHub2 fuse block 2 ring terminals Wiring harness for connecting PowerHub2 to battery (includes switched "trigger" wire with Posi-tap connector)

Self-adhesive hook and loop pad for providing a quick-release attachment method for connecting the PowerHub2 to a flat surface
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Its safe pro looking and defo will not muck up your wiring either buy on ebay too !!

Lastly defo get rid of the alarm and buy a tracker instead more chance you can get the bike back again too !! even track it on your phone too !!!
car relay's and fuses will defo let you down - Most likely when its pissing down on a cold dark night and your stuck in the middle of nowhere too !! then you have to go over the birds nest of wiring to find what blow the thing in the first place cheap is not always best !!

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wingdings wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:36 am
Given too you can start a wing with a screw driver !! - I do see also why people worry about their wing too !!.
Fair enough; still can immobilize it:





Oh. It seems many install "LED Ring Of Fire Moto Brake Covers" on bikes. :roll:

Thanks for the bit of education.
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" ring of fire you say " there !! - Well much depends on your taste's there - However bear in mind if you make your bike into a 1970's disco.

Don't be shocked when you come to sell it - If the buyer does not look impressed with your handy work there !! . Over the pond here in the UK the current trend now is for a clean bear factory looking bike - Either done retro mod style - from the factory paint job ! or original from the factory .

A listing on EBAY the other week over here the wing was a 1989 - Just a bare bike factory looking bike - not chromed to death and looking like a scene from close encounters of the third kind !! with all the lights on it - lol - That bike went for £4000 pounds !! not bad when consider its age !! - Yes ??? .

I have seen other wings bling to death !! over here and people selling them and getting very little interest from buyer's even though the bike's had been well maintained with a ream of paper work to go with it too !! .

Whatever you do to your wing !! - Just remember this !! - You might think a shocking bright pink custom !! wing is cool with a air brushed ken and Barbie on the side panels and trunk !! and led lights around the windscreen and named pink lady too boot doodled on the fairing side - lol - But you got to ask yourself this too !! - Is a new buyer going to like it also ??. You could end up appealing to a very narrow market of buyers indeed yes or even worse none at all !! - Yes ??.

EXAMPLE OF THIS BELOW !! - WOULD YOU BUY THIS ??



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I have seen over the years on wings - Air brushed wolf's heads to naked lady's -or names painted on the sides - Even one guy mold his own panels for the wing too and rename the bike hat trick !! . ( see video below ) .



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I have a couple of friends who break wings for parts and sell the parts on too !! . They tell me time and time again - When they break a wing and its been customized or as they call it sodomized !! - lol they can not sell the plastics on again !!. Lately too the custom stuff they take off the bikes is just not selling like it did anymore !! .

EXAMPLE OF OVER BLING !! - OVER DONE !! WING !!



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I defo think there is a balance to be struck here between improvement and upgrade !! or Alice in wonder land on drugs doing LSD !! - Yes !! ?? -lol .

If you go over the EBAY completed listings for the Goldwing 1500's - You will soon see what's selling and to be honest - "what's not either too !!" .

EXAMPLE OF FACTORY LOOKING BIKE !!


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Some people spend thousands and thousands on their wing knowing they will never get it back either !! - This fine if you plan to keep the bike long term - If not - simple don't do it - Keep the bike well maintained and up to scratch if you do that !! it will sell its self come sale time !! .

Lastly - Time to poke the bear here !! -Watch this vid - Everyone has a opinion about their Goldwing - Yes ??



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