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Engine housing broke

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My wife was coming home last night on her 1997 1500 trike and a rock hit the bottom of the engine and broke the bottom bolt off and now is it pouring oil. And suggestions on fixing it other than changing engines? Also I have a 1990 1500 engine off a SE with only 60,000 miles on it. Would it be possible to put that engine in the 1997. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.



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Re: Engine housing broke

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JB Weld. If the damage is big enough, JB Weld a patch in place.

EDIT: Not clear on what the damage is, and where, you might shoot a couple of pics for better advice.

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Hi saw your post there !! - Here is some info on the wing -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Gold_Wing#GL1500 !! -

First you need to check the engine number - i believe that they were all SC22-100- engines and the only thing that changed over the years was the carb set up and the vac tubing - So assuming that you can get your hands on another ECU for the 1990 engine and you can get a manual for the 1990 model to sort out the vac tubing you should be ok - Or just put the 1990 engine in and cross your fingers :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Re: Engine housing broke

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vagent wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:00 pm
My wife was coming home last night on her 1997 1500 trike and a rock hit the bottom of the engine and broke the bottom bolt off and now is it pouring oil. And suggestions on fixing it other than changing engines? Also I have a 1990 1500 engine off a SE with only 60,000 miles on it. Would it be possible to put that engine in the 1997. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
A picture of the damaged area will help the diagnosis and possible repair recommendation that might be attempted.
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I can't get the picture to load, but it is the very bottom bolt at the bottom of the engine, its leaking at the gasket. I'm going to try JB weld or equivalent.

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here's the picture of the damage

damaged engine housing
damaged engine housing


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Re: Engine housing broke

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Damage isn't too bad. JB Weld should fix it. Sounds like you've used JB Weld before.
1 Big blob of JB weld will pop out, layers is better, tho takes more time.

If you have a Dremel, grind it clean. The coarser the finish the better. I would do this repair in 3 layers minimum. Sandpaper is doable tho takes a lot longer. IF there's a fair size hole use a piece of aluminum as bulk filler. Less glue (JB Weld) is stronger and there's less heat/cold expansion issues.

1st, get the JB to adhere to the missing edges with a thin bridge to close the hole. Add bulk filler at this time, if needed.
__ This also seals any oil from contaminating the following layers.
2nd layer is a thin build up. Use 40 - 80 grit sandpaper or coarse die-grinder sandpaper barrels. Gloss finish, new layers usually won't stick.
__ You might need a second, 2nd layer if you grind to far into the 1st layer or see pinholes in your 2nd layer after sanding/grinding.
3rd layer should be the finish. Rough sand the JB and further feather it onto the unbroken area around the damaged area.
It's not unheard-of doing a 4th layer.
Let cure per package directions. maybe add a protector plate over this area from future bumps?

I've done this 3 layer-up repair on cast iron 1960s engine blocks, but I used the 30 minute 2 part epoxies. I've cheated replacing leaky gaskets also with epoxies. Thumb pressing the epoxy in several times & several layers. Future repair is easy since the epoxy is softer than metal.

HOPE THIS HELPS or offers other ideas to your situation.

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Re: Engine housing broke

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You clean it good, wait until no oil is coming out, clean with something like Berkabile 2+2 instant gum cutter, blow dry, use original formula JB WELD, let harden a little before applying so it'll not run off fast, I would bet the leak will stop with the cure of the first application.

You could build a small wooden table or use a jack under it just to hold the JB WELD up while it sets overnight. Place a piece of wood on the jack, cover the wood with a single layer of aluminum foil. Then if you take the jack and wood away tomorrow, you can just tear excess foil away.

I used JB WELD to replace a broken out part (missing part is still missing) of a housing on a 1992 Ford Thunderbird that was leaking pressurized Freon about 2 inches from #1 exhaust exit at the head. Then after the JB WELD cured overnight, I pulled a vacuum & refilled the system. That was in 2009, it's still leak free.
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Re: Engine housing broke

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I appreciate all the help. The JB weld is a great idea and I'm going to try it. Thanks again for all the information.

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Re: Engine housing broke

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Is this the area of damage?
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Re: Engine housing broke

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The transmission cover is replaceable.
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Re: Engine housing broke

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If you can get the bugger off that is worth welding up !! :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Engine housing broke

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New day 777 that is the broke off bolt, it is leaking oil about an inch from there at the gasket.THANKS for any info I am fairly sure the jb weld will fix it since I have looked at and cleaned it.

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vagent wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:54 am
New day 777 that is the broke off bolt, it is leaking oil about an inch from there at the gasket.THANKS for any info I am fairly sure the jb weld will fix it since I have looked at and cleaned it.
Just now, a quick current search. $45 & 75 so replacement isn't too bad.

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That is where (#2) I had a major leak after a piece of steel fell off of a truck and I unavoidably ran it over. I had comprehensive insurance on the bike. I reported it, and an adjuster can out After looking at the damage, and consulting his drawings, concluded the engine was a whole unit and would have to be replaced, so he totalled the bike.He wrote me a check for $4300. I was given the option to buy it back for $300,with a clear title, which I did. After further investigating, I saw that, besides the broken bolt, the cover was cracked in two other places, also leaking. Then I noticed all of the damage was on that transmission cover. I bought one off of eBay ($35), got a new gasket, and replaced it. It was fixed, and there was no other damage.

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minimac wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:19 pm
He wrote me a check for $4300. I was given the option to buy it back for $300,with a clear title, which I did.
Just curious, did they re-insure it for you? If so, what if any changes to coverage or rate?



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