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My GL 1500 seems to be developing a shifting problem. It's a rough shift into second gear with a clanging noise, reminiscent of the clanging noise my 99 Interstate made for 21 years. My question is: Should I have someone check to see if it needs a replacement clutch installed? I really would be grateful for any advice. Bike has 54000 miles and it's a 2000 GL1500. Thanks in advance, Mike


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Re: Clutch

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When was the last oil change?

As the oil breaks down, one of the first places to notice it will be the shift mechanism and transmission, where the parts are striking each other.

If the problem is your clutch, the way to know is to start the engine, pull in the clutch, and hold it for about 20 second, then shift into first. If the bike jumps or the engine fishbites, you may have a problem there.
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The 20-second test proved to me that I may need a new clutch. Thanks for the tip, Sir.
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The idea here is that -- at the proper idle speed -- the clutch should get rid of a lot of its energy during the 20 seconds with the plates opened. Going into gear should take most of the rest out, smoothly.

Now you want to check clutch adjustment.
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Solo
I noticed in your profile that you have "2007 - 2018, NEVER AGAIN)" Care to tell us about why?
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"2007 - 2018, NEVER AGAIN)" Care to tell us about why?

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There must be more than 1 Mike on this board.
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the type of oil in the engine makes a huge difference.

when I changed over to Rotella T6 5w40, the clutch action was greatly improved.
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Re: Clutch

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Couldn't this also be the pin and bushing in the clutch lever that actuates the master cylinder? Seems like that would be the easiest thing to check before you jump into an expensive clutch diagnosis and repair.

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Re: Clutch

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gford wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:05 am Solo
I noticed in your profile that you have "2007 - 2018, NEVER AGAIN)" Care to tell us about why?
I learned to hate the BMW RT series (aka "Messerschmitt"). "Never again" sums up how I feel about all of them, not just the 2007 - 2018 models.

I found it uncomfortable to ride, poorly balanced, and there were enough mechanical issues to make me worry. It is expensive to maintain. The Code3 integral special-effects package lacked an "instant-off" switch. The saddleboxes on the later models were small and permanently mounted (early models used standard "City" boxes, which were designed to come off and which had several different lids available to increase volume). Changing headlight bulbs could take an hour and leave the changer with scrapes and blood. I prefer wet clutches, and not having to break the bike in the middle to change the clutch. There is a little module to control the fuel pump, that is in a recess -- which fills with water and corrodes the module, sometimes leaving you with a NOSTART or even a roadkill. Early models had the battery that ran the bike buried so deeply that changing took an hour, while the battery that ran all of the add-on stuff was fairly easy to reach. Later models put the chassis battery in a great spot, but the second battery was in the compartment where the AM/FM radio was supposed to be -- not easy to change. The front of the early ones looked like a little girl's scooter. The crash bars had brackets welded on them for speakers and equipment mounts, but more than once these broke right off the bike (happened to me at 80 MPH, taking the speaker with it). The LCD wasn't designed for Utah and Nevada summer sun, and would sometimes overheat into a black blob . . .taking the fuel gauge with it. Not that that mattered much, the fuel gauges on them were notoriously unreliable. The ha-ha switch (kill switch) is a little-bitty tab, that the start switch sits on top of -- a hasty stab can break the tab off in the OFF position, and a quick poke at the start button can move the tab enough that the bike shuts down. And it has CANBUS.

Things that I liked were the pickup (especially out of the hole), the ability to change wheels rapidly enough that the mechanics did it in the field, the power windscreen, and NO CHROME (meaning no having to polish every morning before hitting the streets). The saddle was . . .okay . . . I did like the suspension. Tupperware came off easily. It's a sport tourer, smaller than the Kawasaki, Harley or Goldwing, and turns nicely. The cruise control on the early bikes was one of the bar-end weights -- twist and it increased friction, smoothing out throttle action. The RTP had a cooling fan.

All in all, I would not select a BMW unless the alternative was something like a Harley. I LIKE my Goldwing! The only thing the Messerschmitt had that I wish were on the GL1500 is a power windscreen. ABS might also be nice, but I did 30 years without it.
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Re: Clutch

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When was the last time you changed the fluid in the clutch and re-built both the master and slave clutch cylinder? At 11 years old these thing may be causing issues.
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Greenwinger wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:44 pm When was the last time you changed the fluid in the clutch and re-built both the master and slave clutch cylinder? At 11 years old these thing may be causing issues.
I think you meant 21 years old, right?
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Yes I did :D. I was never very good at math


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