Goldwing GL1500 G8MS-H30 Replacement Relay failed.


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Goldwing GL1500 G8MS-H30 Replacement Relay failed.

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I changed all relays on my GL1500 last season. One relay (Headlight Low) was wrong now. Relay is knocking but no power on bulbs. I was interested why it does not work so I opened this relay. What I can see. If coil is powered on, movable iron armature fully seats on coil core. But we can see bloody gap between contacts. I measured this gap and it`s 0.1 [mm]. I hope that attached photos and video show it fine. We have Murphy`s laws, so relay failed 2000 km away from my garage. I have no idea how it happened.

Relay is not powered.


Relay is powered up and you can see 0.1 [mm] gap between contacts.


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I looks like your contact points are bent. I thought at first they were welded but the video doesn't point to that. Try bending them down when they are in the de-energized position.
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Re: Goldwing GL1500 G8MS-H30 Replacement Relay failed.

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vladimirch wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:54 am I changed all relays on my GL1500 last season. One relay (Headlight Low) was wrong now. Relay is knocking but no power on bulbs. I was interested why it does not work so I opened this relay. What I can see. If coil is powered on, movable iron armature fully seats on coil core. But we can see bloody gap between contacts. I measured this gap and it`s 0.1 [mm]. I hope that attached photos and video show it fine. We have Murphy`s laws, so relay failed 2000 km away from my garage. I have no idea how it happened.

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No need to do anything with the relay, just throw it out. It has failed. Replace it with a new, good quality relay. It failed most likely due to heat caused by higher than normal current for an extended length of time. It happens. Nothing lasts forever.
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MikeB wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:20 pm No need to do anything with the relay, just throw it out. It has failed. Replace it with a new, good quality relay. It failed most likely due to heat caused by higher than normal current for an extended length of time. It happens. Nothing lasts forever.
No, nothing lasts forever but it should last more than one season. He didn't say if he got them from WingAdmin or not. If he did, those are rated for 30 amps if I remember correctly. Must have been defective when he got it.
Edit: Just checked and the relays WingAdmin sells are rated at 40 amps, twice the rating of the stock relays that came in the bikes.
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Post by WingAdmin »

I can tell you for sure that relay is not one of ours that we sell. Just from looking at it I know it's not: the one in your pictures has a steel frame and white plastic standoff, where ours are all copper (for heat dissipation) and the plastic coil standoff is black plastic, not white. This is what ours looks like:

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I agree - it appears that your relay has overheated, causing the metal arm to bend, so that the contacts are not making contact anymore. The terminals also appear to have suffered some heat damage.

I would investigate the cause of the overcurrent first, before just swapping a new relay in there.

Incidentally...we have sold tens of thousands of our 40 amp relay replacements over the years, and in all that time, we've never had a report of one failing. Not even one!
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I am confused.
I ordered two new relays direcly from your page. /Store/Goldwing ... MS-H30.asp I payed them 2021/10/03. I have both mentioned relays at home now. I opened one relay and you can see what is inside. Is this relay from you? Did I made some mistake or am I victim of somebody or what was happened?


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Interesting. Has the supplier played a little switch-a-roo here?

I just installed the 2 I bought from the site when I changed my rear tire, but I did keep the old ones in my tool bag on the bike.
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vladimirch wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:18 am I am confused.
I ordered two new relays direcly from your page. /Store/Goldwing ... MS-H30.asp I payed them 2021/10/03. I have both mentioned relays at home now. I opened one relay and you can see what is inside. Is this relay from you? Did I made some mistake or am I victim of somebody or what was happened?
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Nope, that's definitely ours. Notice that the internal frame is 100% copper, which both allows for the higher current, as well as heat dissipation. The frame on the original poster's video was steel.

The did change the plastic bobbin from black ABS to white ABS, but that doesn't affect the operation at all.
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Post by Charlie1Horse »

Did you maybe add some high draw extra lights to this circuit? That would explain the damage. If you did add some extra lighting, try running a separate wire/circuit for them so as to not repeat this problem.
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There is no additional light on this relay, definitely. All extra LED lights are connected from ACC terminal. I live in Czech Republic and we have very strict law concerned lights on vehicles, especially on motorbikes. For example original standard tail lights on GL1500 are illegal. But it’s theme for another discussion.
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WingAdmin wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:28 am
vladimirch wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:18 am I am confused.
I ordered two new relays direcly from your page. /Store/Goldwing ... MS-H30.asp I payed them 2021/10/03. I have both mentioned relays at home now. I opened one relay and you can see what is inside. Is this relay from you? Did I made some mistake or am I victim of somebody or what was happened?
Is_it_relay.JPG
Nope, that's definitely ours. Notice that the internal frame is 100% copper, which both allows for the higher current, as well as heat dissipation. The frame on the original poster's video was steel.

The did change the plastic bobbin from black ABS to white ABS, but that doesn't affect the operation at all.
Thank you for detailed explanation. You are right. It seems that I bought wrong relays from another vendor two years ago. I rely do not remember it.
I apologize for my original post. It was my mistake :oops: . I will buy other relays from your shop to change all bloody unknown relays on my Wing.
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