Improper Oil for 1989 1500


Information and questions on GL1500 Goldwings (1988-2000)
Post Reply
ltetz
Posts: 9
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:23 am
Location: Rockford, IL
Motorcycle: 1989 Goldwing

Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by ltetz »



Just finished my oil change....
Then noticed the word DEISEL ON THIS OIL. It has the EMPTY lower half circle (see back of label), and the "weight" should work.

Question: is there a goid reason NOT to use this oil?

NOT RIDING TILL I KNOW IF ITS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM
Attachments








User avatar
Sadanorakman
Posts: 396
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:42 pm
Location: Leicester, ENGLAND
Motorcycle: 2000 GL1500 SE (Blue)
1991 GL1500 SE (Gold)

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by Sadanorakman »

Oh hell,another oil thread 😂😂😂

Others will chip in, but I don't see a problem with it.

If it doesn't have friction modifiers in it (which could cause clutch problems), and it is the correct grade (15-40 is maybe reasonable depending on your climate), then all should be ok.

Diesel oil tends to have more detergents in to neutralise acids, and clean the engine, as combustion in a diesel engine is a dirty process.

The exhaust system doesn't have particulate filters or catalytic converters, for which low ash forming, and low sulfur oils might be demanded.

Some might say you don't want a high mileage engine to be cleaned too much by the oil, as then you might start to see gaskets or seals start to weep a bit as the sludge is cleared away. Some see this after changing to fully synthetic from dino-oil, or changing back to Dino from synthetic. I'd say if your engine is in good condition, and doesn't have huge mileage, then again there's nothing to worry about.
User avatar
WingAdmin
Site Admin
Posts: 23105
Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:16 pm
Location: Strongsville, OH
Motorcycle: 2000 GL1500 SE
1982 GL1100A Aspencade (sold)
1989 PC800 (sold)
1998 XV250 Virago (sold)
2012 Suzuki Burgman 400 (wife's!)
2007 Aspen Sentry Trailer
Contact:

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by WingAdmin »

Might be a little bit viscous for low-temperature riding, but for normal, everyday riding it should be fine!
User avatar
blupupher
Posts: 515
Joined: Sun May 17, 2020 5:47 pm
Location: Katy, Republic of Texas
Motorcycle: 1994 Goldwing GL1500 SE

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by blupupher »

Nothing improper about the oil you picked.

A 15w-40 oil is readily pumpable well below freezing temps, so for the majority of riders it will work for most all riding seasons.

Rotella T4 15w-40 is used by many as motorcycle oil with no issues.
Diesel oils in general work well in shared sump motorcycles, and my last 15 or so oil changes on various motorcycles have all been done with a 15w-40 diesel oil (Delo, Supertech, Peak, Delvac, and other brands).
1994 Goldwing GL1500 SE
User avatar
WingAdmin
Site Admin
Posts: 23105
Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:16 pm
Location: Strongsville, OH
Motorcycle: 2000 GL1500 SE
1982 GL1100A Aspencade (sold)
1989 PC800 (sold)
1998 XV250 Virago (sold)
2012 Suzuki Burgman 400 (wife's!)
2007 Aspen Sentry Trailer
Contact:

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by WingAdmin »

blupupher wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:25 pm Nothing improper about the oil you picked.

A 15w-40 oil is readily pumpable well below freezing temps, so for the majority of riders it will work for most all riding seasons.

Rotella T4 15w-40 is used by many as motorcycle oil with no issues.
Diesel oils in general work well in shared sump motorcycles, and my last 15 or so oil changes on various motorcycles have all been done with a 15w-40 diesel oil (Delo, Supertech, Peak, Delvac, and other brands).
15W40 might "pump" below freezing, but the viscosity is thick enough that you are going to have excessive engine wear due to poor circulation until it warms up. That's why Honda recommends 10W oils below freezing:

Oil temperature/type for GL1500
Oil temperature/type for GL1500

User avatar
blupupher
Posts: 515
Joined: Sun May 17, 2020 5:47 pm
Location: Katy, Republic of Texas
Motorcycle: 1994 Goldwing GL1500 SE

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by blupupher »

WingAdmin wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:36 pm
blupupher wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:25 pm Nothing improper about the oil you picked.

A 15w-40 oil is readily pumpable well below freezing temps, so for the majority of riders it will work for most all riding seasons.

Rotella T4 15w-40 is used by many as motorcycle oil with no issues.
Diesel oils in general work well in shared sump motorcycles, and my last 15 or so oil changes on various motorcycles have all been done with a 15w-40 diesel oil (Delo, Supertech, Peak, Delvac, and other brands).
15W40 might "pump" below freezing, but the viscosity is thick enough that you are going to have excessive engine wear due to poor circulation until it warms up. That's why Honda recommends 10W oils below freezing:

Oil Temps.GIF
Yes, but most riders do not ride below freezing, much less start their bikes below freezing. Yes there are a few (I have ridden in below freezing, and started both a Shadow 1100 and a GL1500 sitting outside in ~28°F for hours with a 15w-40 with no issues).
Heck, that chart shows to use 20w-40 or 20w-50 for temps above freezing so 15w-40 is perfectly fine for the same range and a bit below (but also shows 10w-40 being good only down to 10°F, which is incorrect, it safely flows into the -20°F range).

Again, I said 15w-40 will be just fine for the majority of riders, and pumpability is not an issue for those that start their bikes in temps above freezing, and really does not become an issue till you start getting to the 0°F temp range (15w-40 oil is rated to flow down to -10°F).

So if you will be starting and riding the bike in below freezing temps on a regular basis, then yes, the 15w-40 is the "Improper" oil.
Otherwise, it is just fine.
1994 Goldwing GL1500 SE
User avatar
DenverWinger
Posts: 2240
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:20 pm
Location: Denver, CO
Motorcycle: (s)
'80 GL1100 STD Vetter (2005-)
'93 GL1500 Aspencade (2017-)
'83 Trav-Lite Camper (2010-)
Past rides
'72 CL350 (1980-1988) sold
'78 Suzuki GS550 (1985-2005) sold
'77 GL1000 (2002-2006) sold

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by DenverWinger »

...... and I'll add that just because it says "Diesel" on it shouldn't scare you. It just means the oil is formulated to work in a tougher environment than automobile oil. Rotella T4 or T6 does not not have anything in it that will bother a Goldwing Wet clutch and is just fine.

I use Rotella T6 synthetic Diesel 5w40 oil in my bikes, just because it's synthetic and can withstand even more punishment. Goldwing transmissions are hell on oil. The tougher the oil, the better.

Check out the Shell oil website. Probably half of the reviews for the diesel oil blends are from bikers, not truckers!
There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary numbers, and those that don't. :lol:

♫ 99 Little Bugs in the Code, ♪
♪ 99 Bugs in the Code. ♫ :(
♫ Take one down, Patch it around, ♪
♫ 127 Little Bugs in the Code. ♫ ♪ :shock:
~Mark
User avatar
Andy Cote
Posts: 950
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:38 am
Location: Windham, ME
Motorcycle: 2015 Goldwing, basic black

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by Andy Cote »

Take another look at the photo:

Meets ... JASO MA/MA2
2015 Goldwing, basic black

Previously: GL1200 standard, GL1200 Interstate, GL1500 Goldwing, GL1500 Valkyrie Standard, 2000 Valkyrie Interstate, many other Hondas
User avatar
bellboy40
Posts: 983
Joined: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:13 pm
Location: Brewton, AL
Motorcycle: 2000 GL1500SE Candy Spectra Red

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by bellboy40 »

I have been using that very oil for many oil changes on my 1500 with no ill effects. Of course, I don't ride in anywhere near freezing temperatures either. There are many, many folks using this or similar diesel oils in their motorcycles.
zlittle16
Posts: 11
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:58 pm
Location: Caro Mi.
Motorcycle: 1997 GL 1500 SE

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by zlittle16 »

Love that stuff. My bike runs so much smoother.
User avatar
77Goldwing
Posts: 33
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:57 pm
Location: Holland MI
Motorcycle: 1977 GL1000

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by 77Goldwing »

I have been scrolling through many oil threads trying to convince myself to make the change to full synthetic. I have owned my ride since 1978 and except for a ~5-year period that it was stored, ride it every summer. Annual mileage is in the 2000 range and I change oil and filter in late October, generally using Quaker State 10W-30, then store it for the MI winter. My rides are short (@50 miles) and during warm sunny days (the bike prefers not to start if it is less than 60 out).

I find the shifting to be a little clunky until the bike really warms up. Many of the posts report Rotella T6 full syn yields perceptively smoother shifting. I am leaning towards using this for the first time next month, but am concerned about changing from dino oil to full syn after 44 years. Should I have worries?

PS-About 65k miles on the odo.
1977 Goldwing GL1000
Vetter SS fairing/lowers; custom saddle seat
Purchased 6/30/1978, 1585 miles

1973 CB450/K6 (sold) (1976-Schenectady NY to Guadalajara MX and back)
1972 CB100 (sold)
dnk
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:36 pm
Location: Jonestown Penna
Motorcycle: 2000 aspencade trike

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by dnk »

Had a 91 1500 and ran that oil for 10 years no problem. Liked it because i used it in my chevy deisel also.
User avatar
Oldbear
Posts: 326
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:02 pm
Location: Linden, Alberta, Canada
Motorcycle: 1980 Cimatti XL Moped (Reclaimed by nature)
1982 Suzuki GS1100GK (Sold)
1985 Suzuki GS550E (consumed by gremlins)
1983 GL1100A Aspencade (sold)
2006 Suzuki C50T

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by Oldbear »

I didn't see this one here so I'll post it (same as I do every time I see this question here or on my Suzuki site). I've been running this oil for years in my 83 Wing, 2006 Suzuki C50 and in a few of my friends' bikes that come through my garage. No issue. Comes in a 20L pail that is on sale 3 to 4 times at my local UFA.

Look for the SAE label that doesn't have the "energy conserving" tag.
Attachments


My wife is the greatest - she won't let me sell my bike - I'm less grumpy when I ride...
User avatar
fcmusician
Posts: 15
Joined: Thu May 11, 2017 7:28 pm
Location: Hickory corners, Mi
Motorcycle: 1983 GL1100 Interstate

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by fcmusician »

As a local truck driver . Our company has that in bulk at the main yard. I grab empty gallon jugs and use it in all my stuff at home. Never a problem. :D
User avatar
Asphaltmaniac
Posts: 352
Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:57 am
Location: Sparks Nevada
Motorcycle: 1977 Honda 550K. Sold.
1986 1200 Aspencade. Purchased as a non current brand new in the box 1988. Sold.
Black 2006 1800 Goldwing.
2017 BMW 1200 GS Adventure...

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by Asphaltmaniac »

Ive used it for 260000 miles in my 06. :D
Solo So Long
Posts: 529
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:07 pm
Location: Northern Nevada
Motorcycle: 1999 GL1500 50th Anniversary SE
1989 GL1500 FOR SALE
A pack of Super Cubs
Z50A (pre-headlight)
Formerly (in order):
Honda Super Cub (bought 1968, sold ?)
Kawasaki Coyote (early 1970s)
Honda 350 (mid 1970s)
Kawasaki KZ900-PS (1977)
Honda Super Cubs (various years)
Kawasaki KZ1000C (1978)
Kawasaki KZ1000P (various years, 1980 - 2005)
Honda 360 (1983)
BMW R1150RT-P (2001)
BMW R1200RT-P (various years 2007 - 2018, NEVER AGAIN)

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by Solo So Long »

MOST Diesel oil is good. Not all of it. Check around to find which ones meet JASO MA standards.

I started using Diesel oil in my own bikes back in the 1970s, simply because the place where I was working bought 5 drums of the stuff at a time. If the Kawasaki tech rep said it was good for their motors, it had to be good for my own. I've never had a problem with it.
User avatar
77Goldwing
Posts: 33
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:57 pm
Location: Holland MI
Motorcycle: 1977 GL1000

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by 77Goldwing »

Thanks for all the information. The deed is done. Just changed to Rotella T6 5W-40 and took it on a 20 mile ride. Seems fine and I cannot yet tell if the shifting is any smoother. I'll try to take her for some more rides but it is going to be in the 50-60s here in MI over the next couple weeks, then I am out of state on vacation, and when I return it will be 40-50s. At that point "she don't like to start" and I am not willing to chill so she will go into storage in the back of the garage, taking the place of the Ariens snowblower which will move to the front of the garage. :-(

Another reason to avoid riding in late Oct/early Nov, leaves make the roads treacherous and the bucks are in rut and chasing the does all over the farm roads I like to travel.
User avatar
Oldbear
Posts: 326
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:02 pm
Location: Linden, Alberta, Canada
Motorcycle: 1980 Cimatti XL Moped (Reclaimed by nature)
1982 Suzuki GS1100GK (Sold)
1985 Suzuki GS550E (consumed by gremlins)
1983 GL1100A Aspencade (sold)
2006 Suzuki C50T

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by Oldbear »

77Goldwing wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:18 pm Thanks for all the information. The deed is done. Just changed to Rotella T6 5W-40 and took it on a 20 mile ride. Seems fine and I cannot yet tell if the shifting is any smoother. I'll try to take her for some more rides but it is going to be in the 50-60s here in MI over the next couple weeks, then I am out of state on vacation, and when I return it will be 40-50s. At that point "she don't like to start" and I am not willing to chill so she will go into storage in the back of the garage, taking the place of the Ariens snowblower which will move to the front of the garage. :-(

Another reason to avoid riding in late Oct/early Nov, leaves make the roads treacherous and the bucks are in rut and chasing the does all over the farm roads I like to travel.
Run some Seafoam for 20 minutes (gentle ride) and then drain your oil (on your next oil change) - if you are having shifting issues. There is a post about this on here but I hating using my phone to search...
My wife is the greatest - she won't let me sell my bike - I'm less grumpy when I ride...
User avatar
77Goldwing
Posts: 33
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:57 pm
Location: Holland MI
Motorcycle: 1977 GL1000

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by 77Goldwing »

Thanks. I love Seafoam. Use it in all the gas tanks a couple times a year. I'll assess how she is shifting next summer when I ride again. She generally shifts smoothly but occasionally sticks going up or down. That may be due more to me being sloppy or not firm on the pedal. If I think hard about it (ouch), I believe she has done that since the day I bought her with 1500 miles in 1978.
velocitytrader
Posts: 1
Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:33 am
Location: Raleigh, NC
Motorcycle: 1999 GL 1500

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by velocitytrader »

I have used Rotella T6 in my 1999 GL 1500 with great results. Found out about on line because it met the JASO MA standard. My engine runs smother and a little cooler.
User avatar
Rambozo
Posts: 1869
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:36 pm
Location: Disneyland
Motorcycle: 1992 GL1500 Aspencade
Ducati Monster

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by Rambozo »

I use Rotella T6 as well, and I have no plans to convert my GoldWing to a diesel.
t2oldbikes
Posts: 51
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:50 pm
Location: St. Clair Shores,Mi
Motorcycle: 1982 GL1100i

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by t2oldbikes »

I use it in an 82 GL1100i. It works fine and since I'm not going to ride below 40 degrees there is no problem with it being too thick.
When I first bought the bike the PO said he had synthetic in it but did not say what type. Switched to Valvoline 10w-40 4 stroke cycle oil which gradually eliminated some clutch chatter it had. Have not been riding much in recent years and the Valvoline while working fine was pricey at close to $5 a quart for 500-1000 miles of use. Rotella on sale is far cheaper for those of us with few miles changing the oil and filter before putting it up for the winter.
I've had no problems and diesel takes the beating of an oil bath gearbox just fine. The only thing I notice is that the starter spins a little slower then with the 10w-40. I don't think you'll see any oil troubles.
User avatar
Pam
Posts: 449
Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 12:19 pm
Location: Canada
Motorcycle: 1982 Kawazaki KZ 1100 (sold),1983 Yamaha Venture Royal (sold and miss it), 2006 Goldwing GL1800 ,1992 Yamaha Virago (sold). 1982 Honda CB 900 custom

Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

Post by Pam »

I have been using Shell Rotella 15/40 for years in my 1800. I meets the Jason ma rating . Tranny is quiet


Post Reply