Improper Oil for 1989 1500


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ltetz
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Improper Oil for 1989 1500

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Just finished my oil change....
Then noticed the word DEISEL ON THIS OIL. It has the EMPTY lower half circle (see back of label), and the "weight" should work.

Question: is there a goid reason NOT to use this oil?

NOT RIDING TILL I KNOW IF ITS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM
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Re: Improper Oil for 1989 1500

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Oh hell,another oil thread 😂😂😂

Others will chip in, but I don't see a problem with it.

If it doesn't have friction modifiers in it (which could cause clutch problems), and it is the correct grade (15-40 is maybe reasonable depending on your climate), then all should be ok.

Diesel oil tends to have more detergents in to neutralise acids, and clean the engine, as combustion in a diesel engine is a dirty process.

The exhaust system doesn't have particulate filters or catalytic converters, for which low ash forming, and low sulfur oils might be demanded.

Some might say you don't want a high mileage engine to be cleaned too much by the oil, as then you might start to see gaskets or seals start to weep a bit as the sludge is cleared away. Some see this after changing to fully synthetic from dino-oil, or changing back to Dino from synthetic. I'd say if your engine is in good condition, and doesn't have huge mileage, then again there's nothing to worry about.
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Might be a little bit viscous for low-temperature riding, but for normal, everyday riding it should be fine!
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Nothing improper about the oil you picked.

A 15w-40 oil is readily pumpable well below freezing temps, so for the majority of riders it will work for most all riding seasons.

Rotella T4 15w-40 is used by many as motorcycle oil with no issues.
Diesel oils in general work well in shared sump motorcycles, and my last 15 or so oil changes on various motorcycles have all been done with a 15w-40 diesel oil (Delo, Supertech, Peak, Delvac, and other brands).
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blupupher wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:25 pm Nothing improper about the oil you picked.

A 15w-40 oil is readily pumpable well below freezing temps, so for the majority of riders it will work for most all riding seasons.

Rotella T4 15w-40 is used by many as motorcycle oil with no issues.
Diesel oils in general work well in shared sump motorcycles, and my last 15 or so oil changes on various motorcycles have all been done with a 15w-40 diesel oil (Delo, Supertech, Peak, Delvac, and other brands).
15W40 might "pump" below freezing, but the viscosity is thick enough that you are going to have excessive engine wear due to poor circulation until it warms up. That's why Honda recommends 10W oils below freezing:

Oil temperature/type for GL1500
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WingAdmin wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:36 pm
blupupher wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:25 pm Nothing improper about the oil you picked.

A 15w-40 oil is readily pumpable well below freezing temps, so for the majority of riders it will work for most all riding seasons.

Rotella T4 15w-40 is used by many as motorcycle oil with no issues.
Diesel oils in general work well in shared sump motorcycles, and my last 15 or so oil changes on various motorcycles have all been done with a 15w-40 diesel oil (Delo, Supertech, Peak, Delvac, and other brands).
15W40 might "pump" below freezing, but the viscosity is thick enough that you are going to have excessive engine wear due to poor circulation until it warms up. That's why Honda recommends 10W oils below freezing:

Oil Temps.GIF
Yes, but most riders do not ride below freezing, much less start their bikes below freezing. Yes there are a few (I have ridden in below freezing, and started both a Shadow 1100 and a GL1500 sitting outside in ~28°F for hours with a 15w-40 with no issues).
Heck, that chart shows to use 20w-40 or 20w-50 for temps above freezing so 15w-40 is perfectly fine for the same range and a bit below (but also shows 10w-40 being good only down to 10°F, which is incorrect, it safely flows into the -20°F range).

Again, I said 15w-40 will be just fine for the majority of riders, and pumpability is not an issue for those that start their bikes in temps above freezing, and really does not become an issue till you start getting to the 0°F temp range (15w-40 oil is rated to flow down to -10°F).

So if you will be starting and riding the bike in below freezing temps on a regular basis, then yes, the 15w-40 is the "Improper" oil.
Otherwise, it is just fine.
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...... and I'll add that just because it says "Diesel" on it shouldn't scare you. It just means the oil is formulated to work in a tougher environment than automobile oil. Rotella T4 or T6 does not not have anything in it that will bother a Goldwing Wet clutch and is just fine.

I use Rotella T6 synthetic Diesel 5w40 oil in my bikes, just because it's synthetic and can withstand even more punishment. Goldwing transmissions are hell on oil. The tougher the oil, the better.

Check out the Shell oil website. Probably half of the reviews for the diesel oil blends are from bikers, not truckers!
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Take another look at the photo:

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I have been using that very oil for many oil changes on my 1500 with no ill effects. Of course, I don't ride in anywhere near freezing temperatures either. There are many, many folks using this or similar diesel oils in their motorcycles.
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Love that stuff. My bike runs so much smoother.
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I have been scrolling through many oil threads trying to convince myself to make the change to full synthetic. I have owned my ride since 1978 and except for a ~5-year period that it was stored, ride it every summer. Annual mileage is in the 2000 range and I change oil and filter in late October, generally using Quaker State 10W-30, then store it for the MI winter. My rides are short (@50 miles) and during warm sunny days (the bike prefers not to start if it is less than 60 out).

I find the shifting to be a little clunky until the bike really warms up. Many of the posts report Rotella T6 full syn yields perceptively smoother shifting. I am leaning towards using this for the first time next month, but am concerned about changing from dino oil to full syn after 44 years. Should I have worries?

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Had a 91 1500 and ran that oil for 10 years no problem. Liked it because i used it in my chevy deisel also.


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