LED 1156 & 1157 replacement


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LED 1156 & 1157 replacement

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Are LED stop-turn- running lights just R&R or will I need to add resistors or something? 1997 Goldwing Aspencade.
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You will either have to add the resistor or change out the turn signal flasher to one that is made for LED's.
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All depends on how many lights you have and how many you change.
If you change them all, as was mentioned you will have an issue with the flasher and the self cancelling system. If you leave at least one incandescent turn bulb, no problems. Some 1500s have added turn signal on the saddlebags along with the stock trunk ones, and the front ones. Some also have aux turns to replace the reflectors on the sides of the faring. Resistor bulbs are one way, but you lose a lot of the advantages of LEDs.
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I've changed ALL my 1156/1157 and 194's to LEDs, no resistors needed, no flasher change needed !! - LIES !! - LIES !!- LIES !!- LIES !! ( kidding )

Here's a link to what I bought, I suggest you buy a few extra.
Definately WAY Brighter than a Incandescent AND when blinking, the LED responds quicker vs an Incandescent, due to the heat up/cool down time of an Incandescent.

https://www.wish.com/search/1156%20LED/ ... &share=web

I bought these for 194s, they are bright, I installed in my dash, now I can see my dashlights during the DAY !!
but, I wish the contacts were longer, they sit into the sockets a bit too much.
https://www.wish.com/product/5aa3a36be1 ... ?share=web

I used these in my dash as well.. Love them
https://www.wish.com/product/60331a1db3 ... ?share=web


and NO I did not put blue condem's on the lights, which is why the idiot lights coloring is a bit OFF
PS.. do not use LEDs on the Cruise Lights ( didn't work well for me, they glowed when off )

Video - https://photos.app.goo.gl/4qegNZ2xWQHttZH88

PSS: you could check out these !! - https://www.holley.com/products/exterio ... rts/HLED10
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PSSS - Don't use LED on Low Fuel idiot light either, the thermister in the tank needs the load of the incandescent bulb to work, the LED will be Always On. Can't use a resister on the LED either, still won't work right. The incandescent bulb changes resistance along with the thermister when the bulb starts glowing.
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Thank you to all for info. Existing lights are all OEM. No aux or add-ons. Just replacing basics. Thanx again
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bbrackett wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:00 pm I've changed ALL my 1156/1157 and 194's to LEDs, no resistors needed, no flasher change needed !! - LIES !! - LIES !!- LIES !!- LIES !! ( kidding )

Here's a link to what I bought, I suggest you buy a few extra.
Definately WAY Brighter than a Incandescent AND when blinking, the LED responds quicker vs an Incandescent, due to the heat up/cool down time of an Incandescent.

https://www.wish.com/search/1156%20LED/ ... &share=web

I bought these for 194s, they are bright, I installed in my dash, now I can see my dashlights during the DAY !!
but, I wish the contacts were longer, they sit into the sockets a bit too much.
https://www.wish.com/product/5aa3a36be1 ... ?share=web

I used these in my dash as well.. Love them
https://www.wish.com/product/60331a1db3 ... ?share=web

IMG_3967.jpg

and NO I did not put blue condem's on the lights, which is why the idiot lights coloring is a bit OFF
PS.. do not use LEDs on the Cruise Lights ( didn't work well for me, they glowed when off )

Video - https://photos.app.goo.gl/4qegNZ2xWQHttZH88

PSS: you could check out these !! - https://www.holley.com/products/exterio ... rts/HLED10
So you don’t have the hyper-flash issue with these bulbs on your turn signals? And your self-cancelling works ok with these as well? Do they have a resistor built in or something?

Are the front turn signals also the 1156 or something else? - haven’t pulled mine to look…
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So you don’t have the hyper-flash issue with these bulbs on your turn signals? NO Hyper Flash !!

And your self-cancelling works ok with these as well? Works Great !!

Do they have a resistor built in or something? NO Resistor !!

Are the front turn signals also the 1156 or something else? - haven’t pulled mine to look… The Fronts are 1156 because it's single function, I have not changed them yet, and "Leaving them" may balance the system :-) that provides enough resistance to balance the system. I just got more 1156 Yellows, so I will test and let Ya'll know.

NO Hyper Flash !!
Super Bright !!
NO Resistor !!

I do have a Flash to Install
and I do have 1156 in front.. we'll see what happens
Bike came with Standard Bulbs, so I do not think the PO replaced with an Electronic Flash.
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Look, like all the other crap in this world.. their made in China :-) Beautiful country from what I can see from here.
they say it wont cause Hyper Flash and it's due the tech in the bulb
mine do not hyper flash, but I also still have my front bulbs standard
I just received more bulbs, to replace one, have spares and give to friends, I'll let you know, maybe today, thanks for reminding me !!

PRODUCT DETAILS

Note:
This model wont cause hyper flash or error, may very few cars if have these issues, you might need to add load resistors to prevent the LED bulbs from hyper flashing( flash rapidly) or dashboard error code
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Front Turn Bulbs are 1157 - forgot they are running lights as well

Ok, so the Bulbs I use, I have been using with Incandescants in the front, so that is acting as a Resistor
so.. I do not need resistors added for the Turn or Emergency Signals to work properly

And if the Front Bulb Fails it WILL Hyper Flash the Back.
So.. if you run LED in the Front as well, add resistors OR change to an Electronic Adjustable Flasher ( I have but not installed )

I do not have 1157 Yellows, but with the RED it's OMG so much Brighter !!
So, I will be finding my flasher and getting some Yellows for the Front.

I do LOVE these Bulbs they are Brighter in the Daylight and SUPER Bright at night.

Good Luck !!!
Safe Rides !!
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bbrackett wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 1:54 pm Front Turn Bulbs are 1157 - forgot they are running lights as well

Ok, so the Bulbs I use, I have been using with Incandescants in the front, so that is acting as a Resistor
so.. I do not need resistors added for the Turn or Emergency Signals to work properly

And if the Front Bulb Fails it WILL Hyper Flash the Back.
So.. if you run LED in the Front as well, add resistors OR change to an Electronic Adjustable Flasher ( I have but not installed )

I do not have 1157 Yellows, but with the RED it's OMG so much Brighter !!
So, I will be finding my flasher and getting some Yellows for the Front.

I do LOVE these Bulbs they are Brighter in the Daylight and SUPER Bright at night.

Good Luck !!!
Safe Rides !!
Thanks man! Do you have a link for the Flasher you’re going to use? Is it just a square relay for the flashers on the left side of the bike you replace?
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I have not tested ( need to find it ) the flasher I got, not sure its compatible with the Goldwing I think it is adjustable.
probably within a couple weeks.

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Thank you to all who took the time to share their experience with this newbie. Think I have settled on my course of action.
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Have this flasher installed on my '85 GW Limited Edition:


Works well and takes out the hyper flash. Auto cancelling works as well. The one I received did not have an adjustment, not needed. From Amazon and inexpensive: https://www.amazon.ca/Flasher-Adjustabl ... 134&sr=1-7. Made in China, most parts/components nowadays are from across the pond. For $10.00 CDN get a few, comes in two packs as well for $15.00 CDN.
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Thank you. Ordering now. Then I will figure out wher it plugs in. Newbie old man here.
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FYI: These have been touted as working on GL1500’s in a video I saw and elsewhere…they work to slow the flash rate. HOWEVER…your cancel will not work.
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To be honest, I don’t mind the quick flash with the original relays. I think it’s more noticeable to cars. The question is: since the push button cancel works with the original relays, will the self-cancel work while riding? I really don’t want to put this all back together and find that the damn self-cancel doesn’t work! Obviously a 3 contact is needed like the one linked in this thread. Unfortunately there’s no connector included with that relay so you’re stuck trying to source a connector. I really don’t want to drive all the way to Cyclemax and pay $25 each for these relays…
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You need the wiring schematic, and a 3 pin OEM style connector. You can also remove the connector and get a ready made 3 pin connector. The wiring of the 3 prong flasher unit will allow the self cancelling to work. Can look at mine today and detail the wire colours and which one is connected to the flasher unit. Honda is good at keeping the colour codes basically the same.
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Rednaxs60 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:11 am You need the wiring schematic, and a 3 pin OEM style connector. You can also remove the connector and get a ready made 3 pin connector. The wiring of the 3 prong flasher unit will allow the self cancelling to work. Can look at mine today and detail the wire colours and which one is connected to the flasher unit. Honda is good at keeping the colour codes basically the same.
Yep...that 3rd wire obviously controls the self-cancel. If you happen to get the colors let us know...would be good to know as a reference. I'm just keeping the OEM relays and letting it flash fast...I think it's way more noticeable to cars. The push-button cancel works, as does the self cancel while riding.

Amazon does sell a 3 pin flasher relay with the connector for about $12 if anyone decides to go that route. And I confirmed what the one video mentioned - you can get to the relays without pulling the whole trunk. You have to pull the license plate and plastic center piece. It's tight to get in there, but doable.
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Just my opinion but, it seems over the years more people have caused problems to their bikes lighting system by using LED bulbs. I don't get the big advantage of using LED bulbs other then somebody might think it sounds cool to say I switched everything to LEDs. Most people don't even know what LED stands for.
Just my opinion, not slagging anybody, your bike do what you want.
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gford wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:42 pm Just my opinion but, it seems over the years more people have caused problems to their bikes lighting system by using LED bulbs. I don't get the big advantage of using LED bulbs other then somebody might think it sounds cool to say I switched everything to LEDs. Most people don't even know what LED stands for.
Just my opinion, not slagging anybody, your bike do what you want.
In my case, several reasons:
1. LED’s are noticeably brighter (at least the ones I buy are) and of course on a bike that’s even more important.
2. Less draw on the Alternator, which is a concern in the winter when I’m running my heated gear. Much more consistent heat when the draw is reduced.
3. The LED’s will most likely outlive me and not having to replace bulbs is a definite plus.

Not really sure what “problems” you might be referring to other than getting the load right to stop hyper flash if that’s important to you. 12V is 12V whether it’s an incandescent or an LED. If someone messes up their wiring or blows fuses because they don’t know what they’re doing that would happen regardless of the type of bulb…
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Led light bulbs on stator alternator systems are an issue in that reducing the electrical load only makes the RR work harder to shunt power to ground. Not the same for an alternator (car variant) system.

The colour code for my "85 GL1200 Limited Edition is:
WHT/GRN - power to flasher
GRY - Load, to the signal switch
BLU/BLK - to the self-cancel unit

The LED flasher unit will probably have a "+" for power to the flasher, "L" goes to load, and "-" goes to self cancelling unit.
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Rednaxs60 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:29 pm Led light bulbs on stator alternator systems are an issue in that reducing the electrical load only makes the RR work harder to shunt power to ground. Not the same for an alternator (car variant) system.

The colour code for my "85 GL1200 Limited Edition is:
WHT/GRN - power to flasher
GRY - Load, to the signal switch
BLU/BLK - to the self-cancel unit

The LED flasher unit will probably have a "+" for power to the flasher, "L" goes to load, and "-" goes to self cancelling unit.
Thanks for those color designations!

My Bourget V-Twin was LED from the factory, runs with the same standard Harley Stator and Voltage Regulator for an EVO that EVO’s were running from ‘84-99, so if LED’s are a problem on Stator equipped bikes, there haven’t been any issues on any of the Bourgets I’ve come across. Newer Harleys are also coming all LED and still using the same basic Stators & VR’s…

With Goldwings being a direct driven alternator design, I can’t imagine any issues - I haven’t had any. And I’ve gained voltage when metered and my heated gear runs more consistently for sure.
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These newfangled electric lights are just a passing fad.
So where can I get some carbide turn signals?


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