Any adverse effect using reverse A LOT for a sidecar?


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Any adverse effect using reverse A LOT for a sidecar?

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I'm setting up a sidecar on my 1500. I have a single car garage and space will be VERY tight. I will have to either back it in or back it out let's call it 20'. My driveway has a very slight incline so it would be slightly less straining backing it out I think.

Does using reverse a lot hurt anything? Like putting a strain on the battery, or starter? Thanks.







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Or just put in a turntable like the batcave so you can drive in and out.

A few folks have been concerned about overusing reverse, but virtually all threads about reverse problems stems from lack of use not over use. There is an overcurrent safety to keep you from going up too steep a slope. As you mentioned, backing down the slope will reduce the workload.
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Rambozo wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:36 am Or just put in a turntable like the batcave so you can drive in and out.

A few folks have been concerned about overusing reverse, but virtually all threads about reverse problems stems from lack of use not over use. There is an overcurrent safety to keep you from going up too steep a slope. As you mentioned, backing down the slope will reduce the workload.

You've got me actually thinking about how to build a turntable,,,,lol.

How is it over current protected? Does just a fuse blow? Or is there other things involved. I might need to know how to repair it in the very near future. ;)
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There are a few things that control and protect the reverse system. A 65A speed limiter fuse under the seat, a starter relay regulator, a control unit, a current limiting resistor pack, along with a host of switches, sensors, and relays.
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Quick Cal wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:50 am
How is it over current protected? Does just a fuse blow? Or is there other things involved. I might need to know how to repair it in the very near future. ;)
Using reverse takes about 80A to operate which will run the battery down a bit. So if you were to back into the garage and shut down, the battery has not had enough current to bring it back up to full charge of 12.6V. There the machine now sits at maybe 12.3V or so which is not good for the battery or extended parking when the battery is needed for a start. I would drive straight in and use reverse before your ride to give the battery time to recharge.

The reverse system monitors voltage at the starter motor and knows when to apply more or less voltage to the motor via the resistors. The 65A fuse is a ground path when an over speed condition is detected like backing down a hill. The starter motor in that situation will develop excess amperage much like an alternator and uses the ground path as an electrical brake of the motor shunting that current to ground slowing the machine down. :)
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ct1500 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:29 pm
Quick Cal wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:50 am
How is it over current protected? Does just a fuse blow? Or is there other things involved. I might need to know how to repair it in the very near future. ;)
Using reverse takes about 80A to operate which will run the battery down a bit. So if you were to back into the garage and shut down, the battery has not had enough current to bring it back up to full charge of 12.6V. There the machine now sits at maybe 12.3V or so which is not good for the battery or extended parking when the battery is needed for a start. I would drive straight in and use reverse before your ride to give the battery time to recharge.
Another option is to have a Battery Tender in your garage, so once you pull in, you plug in. That will top up the battery and keep it in good shape.
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I have something in the neighborhood of 20,000 miles on a GL1500 / Cal. Sidecar Co. Friendship III sidecar hack. I used the reverse sparingly so I cannot comment on ill effects of overuse. What I can say is that I do not think you will have to overuse.

In my experience, mindfulness of inclines and what you need allow minimal need for reverse. Most obvious to start: pull-through spaces are your friend. Inclines are your next-best friend. There is little rolling resistance to the set up. So if you can pull into a space on an upward slope, when it’s time to go with a little push of your foot you’ll roll right out. (And I do that rather than use reverse because you want to immediately pickup speed and that reverse is slow, as you know.) If the slope is down into a space when you pull up if you cut sharp away from it gravity will back you in just as easily.

In dead-level lots with no pull through spaces my habit was to hop off and push it in neutral as it’s way quicker than that reverse. And that was not challenging even with my two daughters and our luggage aboard. The rolling resistance is quite minimal you will find.

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phlaug wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:28 am I have something in the neighborhood of 20,000 miles on a GL1500 / Cal. Sidecar Co. Friendship III sidecar hack. I used the reverse sparingly so I cannot comment on ill effects of overuse. What I can say is that I do not think you will have to overuse.

In my experience, mindfulness of inclines and what you need allow minimal need for reverse. Most obvious to start: pull-through spaces are your friend. Inclines are your next-best friend. There is little rolling resistance to the set up. So if you can pull into a space on an upward slope, when it’s time to go with a little push of your foot you’ll roll right out. (And I do that rather than use reverse because you want to immediately pickup speed and that reverse is slow, as you know.) If the slope is down into a space when you pull up if you cut sharp away from it gravity will back you in just as easily.

In dead-level lots with no pull through spaces my habit was to hop off and push it in neutral as it’s way quicker than that reverse. And that was not challenging even with my two daughters and our luggage aboard. The rolling resistance is quite minimal you will find.

Enjoy! I found sidecar riding a real joy! (And
Consider checking out the USCA at sidecar dot com)
You aint a kiddin about reverse being slow! I drove the rig over to friends house the other day to show it off. Which btw he doesn't approve of. He says I'll never be able to drag the pegs in a turn again. Well guess what. I never have and never really wanted to. Not my style. I'm old,,,lol. And f him if he don't like my stuff anymore.

Sorry. Got side tracked. But as I was backing down his driveway it was taking FOR EVER. I was making jokes acting like I had time to check my email, and send a few texts,,,lol.

So you say you have a 1500 with a CSC. Did you see my other thread asking for a pic?

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He says I'll never be able to drag the pegs in a turn again.
LIES!

You can't drag your RIGHT peg, but your sure as heck can drag the left when you fly the sidecar! My daughters loved flying!!! LOL

I am sorry if I missed the thread asking for pics -- several here: http://augur.altervista.org/sidecar.html

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I have a 2003 1800 with a Champion Escort attached and use the reverse all the time. It is slow, but who is in a hurry? On uneven ground, it sometimes has trouble and refuses to cooperate. I have experienced no side effects. If the load is too great, it just refuses to engage. I use to ride year around without any battery problems but last year we moved to Wyoming and winter riding ceased and I had to use a battery tender for the first time. One of my friends here rides a Ural sidecar rig which has a geared reverse, which he likes to show off.
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Hi, I'm swedish, driving with sidecars since 1977. Now I'm having a -95 GL1500 attached to a home-made sidecar, which is quite heavy ( nice in right-corners). The weight of the sidecar is 550lb.
I have by now driven 60.000 miles with the attached sidecar. I have, of course always thought about the weight, using the reverse, but always used it, when needed. But up to now, no problems, what so ever, with the starting motor.
I am using the EZ-Steer front, which reduces the trail by 50%. Makes it really really nice to handle!
You will have to use longer brake lines, but no other problems to attach it. (but I have changed the breaking system to: Front: both front brakes (using the GL1800 master cylinder, same design! (the GL1500 master cyl cannot pump enough). Rear: rear and sidecar wheel. I have swopped the outlets on the rear master cylinder to full out ( was to front wheel): rear wheel, and reduced out: sidecar wheel.
This is working perfectly! The sidecar brake is a slimmed Volvo 340 disc and a Yamaha Xt600 front brake caliper. If you want more info, I'm here. Per-Martin.
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This is my sidecar. P-M
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:!: I forgot to mension. I am using a 44 Ah battery, mounted in the sidecar. P&M
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drwega wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:10 pm This is my sidecar. P-M
Now THAT"S a sidecar!!
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@drwega, that is a beautiful set up! Great to see it in the snow. I had my rig with me in Zurich for a year and took it out a few times in the snow -- great fun!

Nice call on the strong battery, and I really like what you did with the brakes. I got my rig already set up and had never had a GoldWing before. The brakes worked entirely fine, no issue whatsoever, and that set up had the car brake actuated with the front brake lever, via a steel-braided line.

But when I pulled the sidecar off and started stepping through the Wing to prep it for regular two-wheel service imagine my surprise finding that linked brake setup for one disc of the front with the rear. LOL I leave most things on most of my bikes stock and have done that with these brakes, but like your idea!
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interesting information
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So far using reverse with my 1500 and CSC FSIII hasn't hurt her too much when she pushes us backward, sorry just joking, I do try not to use the starter when backing up, the wife (she has longer legs) does the trick, however, I was told by a Honda Factory tech that they overbuilt the starter and should handle backing up both units.



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