GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?


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ryan1980
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GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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Hi all,

I took my GL1500 for a ride today , after it had been sitting for some time.

5 Minutes down the road, the engine just turned off !

After rolling to the side of the road, i was unable to re-start it. I did notice that i was unable to get the neutral light on the dash.

After about 10 minutes of trying , messing with the gear selector, reverse lever, kill switch , key, finally the N light came on and i started the bike and went immediately home!

It seems to be functioning now but im not brave enough to take it for a ride again!

What could i check / replace to prevent this happening again?

Ryan


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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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That almost sounds like Bank Angle Sensor (BAS) (also known as a "Tilt" sensor) got tripped. Did you hit a big bump when the bike shut down?

The end of the alleyway behind my house has a big drop where it joins the roadway, kind of like driving off a curb. I've tripped my BAS on this a couple times either leaving or entering the alleyway, you reset it by turning the ignition off and back on. I haven't noticed if the Neutral light works or not when the BAS is tripped but the bike won't start until you cycle the ignition key to reset the sensor.

There was a factory recall for faulty BAS, they were losing their damping fluid and getting tripped on the slightest bumps. I don't know if the recall includes the '95 model but it definitely included my '93.

You can tell if the recall has been done by looking at the frame under the oil dipstick by the "B" start relay, if there's a big "X" stamped into the frame the recall has been done.

EDIT: Did some checking, the recall includes the '88-'93 models but not the '95. I still think this is what happened, you hit enough of a bump to trip the BAS.
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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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Thanks Denver. I was actually riding on a perfectly straight road! Didn't hit any bump at all. I will remove the fairings and check for the X - however mine is a 96 model.

Would it be possible that the problem is related to the reverse lever microswitch and / or selector switch ?
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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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Was it just the Neutral light that was out, were the other lights like oil pressure and such on?
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just neutral light that was out.
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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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Last thing you mentioned on the restart steps was switching off and on the ignition switch (key). Even though your bike doesn't fall under the defective sensor recall I still think the BAS tripped.....
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quite possibly the BAS then. Would this tripping cause the N light to not come on? Do they generally fail on the later models ?
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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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BAS does not generally fail (except the '88-'93 models that haven't had it replaced)

I dug around in the schematics for a '94.

BAS controls relay 6, if tripped kills power to the Engine Control Module, ignition coils and the Cruise Control system. If you have the cruise turned on (I leave mine "on" all the time because the switch is flaky) the "Cruise On" light on the dash will go out if BAS is tripped. Lights and other things continue to work but you can't start the engine.

Relay 6 does not control power to the Neutral Light, this gets power from the ignition switch in "On" position thru fuse 9. A problem in the fuse 9 circuit and the Neutral light won't come on and the starter won't work, but this doesn't kill the ignition if the engine is running.

Problem in the "On" circuit in the ignition switch will obviously kill the ignition, but it also kills everything else except the accessories (Stereo, CB etc).

So I'm not sure why you didn't have a Neutral light.....
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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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Thanks for looking into that denver. I didnt have the cruise on. In hindsight I wish i paid more attention to the cruise light and headlight to see if they were on.

Mine is a 96, not sure if that would make any difference from a 94.

When i did finally get a neutral light, it was after the bike was shut off completely for a minute or 2. Is this what others have experienced when re-starting after the BAS has activated?

The only other odd thing about this bike is that the kill switch is ultra-sensitive - it will turn the bike off with the slightest of touches - doesnt even have to get anywhere near the 'off' position. However again, doesnt appear to affect the neutral light!

I do know in the past the bike has been in an accident , as i repaired it :) I wonder if this could of also affected the BAS.

Ideally i would replicate the issue but i don't want to get stuck somewhere on the road with a bike that won't run!
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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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Perhaps i will just take the time to replace the BAS and also the reverse lever microswitch for peace of mind.
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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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The '94 schematics are pretty good for the 1990-2000 models, not much changed between the years. Not much good for the '88 and '89 models though...

BAS resets immediately as soon as you switch the key off and back on, no waiting.

Your problem may well be the kill switch, especially since you say it's so touchy. The wires are attached to it with little screws which can work loose. Heard of more than one bike with this problem, need to split the switch housing and tighten the screws. But that doesn't kill the Neutral light. Some people put both wires under one screw - this bypasses the kill switch.

+1 on the reverse lever switch, it's another common fail point, and THAT can kill your Neutral light (but it won't kill the engine). It DOES prevent the starter even if you pull the clutch.

I'd bet the Kill switch and reverse lever switch attacked you at once.

Most of us here leave the Cruise control turned on, doesn't hurt anything, the "Cruise On' light is another troubleshooting aid, and there's nothing more frustrating than to try to turn on the cruise when rolling and find it won't come on 'cause the switch is dirty.
A local inventor has figured a way to turn a sausage grinder backward to manufacture pigs. :lol:

♫ 99 Little Bugs in the Code, ♪
♪ 99 Bugs in the Code. ♫ :(
♫ Take one down, Patch it around, ♪
♫ 127 Little Bugs in the Code. ♫ ♪ :shock:
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Re: GL1500 switched off whilst riding - no neutral light ?

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thanks denver, i'll order a new reverse switch and re-wire the kill switch and give it an other go :)


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