Speedo needle stopped deflecting


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Long time no post. I may have to update my sig but here's the scoop: My speedo needle has suddenly stopped deflecting. The odometer works but the cruise does not. My deduction is it's in the speedo head since the odo works and that means the cable is good. I'm just guessing but there is a gear or something that connects to the needle off of the cable and that is what is at fault, if such a thing exists.
I have no idea how the cluster can come out of there but I do have a manual but it's hard to follow {haynes]. So I'm hoping someone on here has the knowledge about these speedos and can lead me to how to resolve this. I'm concerned that internal parts to this are not available and there is no resolution but someone out there knows this, I'm sure, as i have learned a lot from members of this site.
Bike is 2000 SE with 106k on the clock. When put away for winter speedo was working but started to wiggle at the 24mph mark until about 35 then steadied out. Was that my warning? :? Thanks for reading.


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If you haven' inspected the speedo cable, you need to remove and inspect the cable. When you do that, you should take a look at the input to the cable at the front wheel. To do that, lift the front wheel off the ground and rotate it. There is a tab that the speedo cable is attached to. It rotates as you rotate the wheel and that is what turns the inner speedo cable core. This in turn is what makes the speedo work.
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Since your odometer is working, your cable is ok. Getting parts for inside the speedometer can be a challenge. See if you can find a local speedometer shop. The have become exceedingly rare, but a few still exist. They have sources for all kinds of internal parts. I used to import grey market cars and had a local shop that would do the kph to mph conversions for me. I learned a lot form them and have fixed quite a few speedometers since. Of course they finally closed up, so I no longer have a source for parts. :(
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When my speedo stopped working it was because some genius lubed the cable with grease and that grease worked its way into the speedo head and when the oil was used up the wax hardened and seized it up.

Once i replaced the new speedo $69.00 that's right $69 from partszilla. The low price is because the 98 and 99's have white face gages, I ventured into the old speedo to see what happened and there i discovered the hardened wax. Rooted it out with a screw driver and flushed with plastic safe silicone spray and it worked perfect.

You can get a new speedo and tach with white faces for cheaper than you can buy the black face gauges.

I eventually found out who the genius was that used grease on the cable, I looked in the mirror and he was looking back at me, LOL
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Yeah my cable does work I've never lubed it. I was hoping for info on how to remove /get at the cluster so I can take a look at it. Have any of you done this?
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WingAdmin has a great article on changing the dash lights to LED that has a detailed guide to getting the cluster out with a ton of pics. You can find it in the How-To section or at
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10998
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Thank you very much!
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I always lubricate cables with dry graphite lubricant spray. Spray it into one end of the cable and wait for it to drip out the other, so you know it's made it through the entire cable. Wait for the solvent carrier to evaporate, and it leaves behind a very slippery graphite coating that lubricates the cable very well. No grease to thicken up or pick up dirt. I use this in many areas where using grease will pick up grit and dirt.
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Graphite is the perfect lube for these. But you can pull the cable out of the sheath and lube it that way, no waiting. Cable will slip easily back into the sheath.
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So I've reviewed the process to removing the cluster and it's a little involved. But once I get that out, then what? Finding parts will be challenging I'd even possible. There is a mention of replacement gauges, what is the source? I don't know if there is a shop around here that does that work, never needed one before. So if someone knows this, please share. Parts would be wonderful.
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wilmo wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:30 am So I've reviewed the process to removing the cluster and it's a little involved. But once I get that out, then what? Finding parts will be challenging I'd even possible. There is a mention of replacement gauges, what is the source? I don't know if there is a shop around here that does that work, never needed one before. So if someone knows this, please share. Parts would be wonderful.
You can try this site. Item #15. However, they may not have it. Everywhere else I have looked have been out of stock.
https://www.motosport.com/oem-parts/hon ... 00se/meter
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Thanks, Mike, it looks like a possibility. My apprehension is tearing it down that far and not causing further damage, never done this job before. If I had a garage to work in it would help considerably. I will work on my confidence factor, and thanks once again.
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WARNING:
You're going to find the speedo meter's main box is pressed assembled plates, DON'T DISASSEMBLE. You'll sell your soul to the devil to get it back together.
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I've come up with another idea, a GPS speedometer. I know that they exist in some form so I'm going to pursue this option. That way I don't have to tear the bike apart. I may have issues in tunnels but there aren't any around here anyway.
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Dozen years ago my speedo's larger worm gear stripped out.
I was going to reverse it since the worn area is on one end & noticed the box has to partly come apart. GRRR
I found a meter on Ebay reasonable.

Few months ago I seen a video of using liquid super glue & baking soda, then silicone formed mold of a good area, using that mold to cast in the worn area with the super glue & baking soda.
Tho it seems like a lot of work for he first timer, IF a meter can't be found reasonably priced... 'gotta do what ya gotta do'.

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I have decided on and found a gps speedo for $20. It also has a compass and can give the coordinates and a few other whistles. I don't have to tear the bike apart just find a good mounting spot.
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Which unit did you find? Sounds interesting.
I'm growing against using Google's Apps due to their required intrusions of private info.


I had a couple APPS that did that and more but ate up battery life.
I was soon going to look into bicycle style speedo sensors but seen your post first.
The type I was curious about are the magnet on the wheel with a sensor. There's got to be one that doesn't use a battery.
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This is what I'm getting: https://www.ebay.com/itm/314838753151?i ... R9L_h-PyYw

This is on ebay
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WOAH, that's HUGE!
For me that's a lot of real estate for a GPS, 2.5 x 5 inch.
Suppose it has to be large for glance reading.
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There are smaller ones that have less options and cost around $10. Look around there, they have lots of options.
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Interesting little gadgets but I think I would rather fix the problem. Once you start taking things apart you may discover that it is a simple issue. If it were mine I would wait to find out what the issue was rather than adding another gadget.
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This may not be my final solution but will do for now. I do want my cruise to work so I eventually will get around to fixing it.
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MikeB wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 12:28 pm rather than adding another gadget.
You don't want another add-on gadget? Are you sure you are a GoldWing owner? :lol:
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Rambozo wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 5:08 pm
MikeB wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 12:28 pm rather than adding another gadget.
You don't want another add-on gadget? Are you sure you are a GoldWing owner? :lol:
A Gold Wing owner, yes. A gadget freak, no. :)
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Rambozo wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 5:08 pm
MikeB wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 12:28 pm rather than adding another gadget.
You don't want another add-on gadget? Are you sure you are a GoldWing owner? :lol:
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