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Check out this thing - it's a custom set of tilting front wheels grafted onto a GL1800:


It's called the Goldwing Lazareth, and it's still a prototype at this point, but the (French) designer intends to produce it. It has twin 17 inch wheels up front that are 24" apart, and can be locked in the upright position when you come to a stop.








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This Washington State company has a patent on one that is almost the same design. Currently for HD and GW's. https://www.tiltingmotorworks.com
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And neither one looks good as far as I am concerned. But that is just my opinion.
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I like the Wing.

I don't like the other bike...whatever it was
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I know Tilting Motor Works has a kit for the GL1800:



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Tilting Motor Works is primarily a Harley shop, with conversions for many different types of Harley bikes. Their web site says "we now have kits for GL1800 and F6B" but you won't find pictures or videos of this conversion on their site.
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This is the only video I've seen, but it does exist for the Wing.



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I've personally seen the Goldwing conversion by Tiltmotors at the Oyster Run (end of September) in Anacortes, Wa. The front suspension is quite a bit wider, almost as wide as a spider. They've had the wing conversion out for a couple of years now. I think the issue with this company is they are a couple of engineers, not marketers or entrepreneurs.
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I was at the Anacortes Oyster Run too and got a picture of the Tilting Motor Works conversions.
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I rode the TMW Harley about 6 months ago. TMW's owners invited me to lunch at an outdoor "biker" eatery and showed up with two models, both based on Harleys. I took it out on twisty back roads, and after about 20 minutes, I'd had all I wanted. I parked it on the shoulder, and walked away from it.

The TMW felt very ponderous, slow to respond, and the bars turn a lot more to achieve any given lean angle than you'd expect, compared to a two-wheeler. Very wide, I kept an eye on the guard rail, which is exactly the wrong thing to do, but the front end took up almost the entire lane, and I wasn't able to maintain a steady turn radius. Maybe I'd have had a better experience on a flat, straight section of Interstate highway, but I clearly needed a hell of a lot more practice and experience with that beast before venturing onto more interesting roads.

The experience was disconcerting, to say the least. I've ridden Spyders and trikes. The Spyder is pretty good, keeping in mind that it isn't a motorcycle. I absolutely hate traditional trikes (which also aren't motorcycles), but I'd take one hands down over a TMW conversion. My assessment - not ready for prime time. An answer for an unasked question. YMMV.

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Thanks Stu.

It's always good to hear your take on things.

I have not ridden one yet and probably never will. Riding a two wheeler is all I ever wanted to do after the old man took the training wheels off my 20" bicycle as a kid. I really don't see me ever going back.
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Speaking as someone who can no longer hold a wing up on 2 wheels, I would be in heaven with a tilting model that stood on it's own when stopped. I enjoy my conventional 1500 trike I currently ride, however also own a Piaggio with parallel front wheels, and get immense enjoyment from it. To duplicate that in a Goldwing would be fantastic. I look forward to hearing more about the French development. Always pity the contributors who look at these things then declare they would never ride one. They'll have a very boring old age.
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Unfortunately, their website says it's a one off for a special order, and will not be produced by their company. Wonder if client they built it for will develop it for production?

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Which website are you referring to?
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I provided the link in my post above yours.
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Could be they would run into patent infringement with Tilt Motors in the USA. Tilt Motors has 3 patents right now and 3 pending according to the You-Tube video on Jay Leno's Garage. Jay took a test ride and seemed pretty impressed. He claimed if you blindfolded someone, they couldn't tell it was a 3-wheeler. I think he was just impressed with the engineering. Obviously it's not two wheels and you can't expect it to act like two wheels, but it is probably better than a regular trike or sidecar rig. I would have to test ride a wing set-up before plunking down $13K. I've been looking at trike conversions and by the time you get done with all the bells and whistles you're in the $12-13K range anyway, plus you give up saddlebags for a single trunk. A couple of the trike companies are coming out with set-ups similar to the Spyder for Gold Wings, but they don't lean at all, and to be frank, a couple of them are pretty ugly.
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mervk wrote:Speaking as someone who can no longer hold a wing up on 2 wheels, I would be in heaven with a tilting model that stood on it's own when stopped. I enjoy my conventional 1500 trike I currently ride, however also own a Piaggio with parallel front wheels, and get immense enjoyment from it. To duplicate that in a Goldwing would be fantastic. I look forward to hearing more about the French development. Always pity the contributors who look at these things then declare they would never ride one. They'll have a very boring old age.
I read that the Lazareth conversion was based off the Piaggio MP3 - I assume that's the one you have. What do you think of it? How does it ride, how is it in turns?
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We understand there is a lot of confusion about the qualities of various trikes.

The June issue of Motorcycle Consumer News will feature a comparison review of five distinctly different trikes, including:
Tilting Motor Works (on H-D Road King)
Can-Am Spider F3 Limited
H-D Freewheeler
Polaris Slingshot SL
Ural Gear Up 2WD

We are just going to press, it should be available by the end of May.

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We hope this benefits the trike curious.
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Joined this site today, just to post this, Mr. Hilgendorf? Must have been a slow day at the office. :mrgreen:

Last time I spoke with Dave S, he voiced pretty much the same opinion as me and had passed on the opportunity to publish a TMW review. So I'll be very interested to read what your test riders have to say at this point. Good to see you folks keeping an ear to the ground regarding folks' curiosity. BTW, the turnaround effort appears to be bearing fruit. Good work.

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I read that the Lazareth conversion was based off the Piaggio MP3 - I assume that's the one you have. What do you think of it? How does it ride, how is it in turns?

Though nowhere near the excitement of a wing, it is a great ride. 400cc fuel injected motor sits on highway speeds easily, however most of my use is local. The two front wheels give incredible grip, and tend to make me a little over confident in corners, hence always grounding the side in corners. Two front disk brakes is also confidence inspiring. But for someone with leg problems, being able to press the button when stopped and have it support itself is the best bit.

But would ditch it for a French MP3 Wing in a heartbeat.
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MikeB wrote:Thanks Stu.

It's always good to hear your take on things.

I have not ridden one yet and probably never will. Riding a two wheeler is all I ever wanted to do after the old man took the training wheels off my 20" bicycle as a kid. I really don't see me ever going back.
I hear you, Mike. I've always felt that way myself. But there definitely is a demographic for these three-wheeled contraptions. You just aren't there yet. Personally, I downsized to a two-wheeler I can handle safely, but others having issues like mervk would like to retain the size and comfort of the big bikes without needing to hold them up at stops. Remember the Landing Gear products? There are also a lot of non-riders who are lured by the idea of riding a motorcycle without actually having to learn to ride a motorcycle, though these things have a learning curve all their own, and each is different. A lot of us don't understand the appeal, but that's okay. Good luck, merv.

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Stu_O wrote:... Remember the Landing Gear products? There are also a lot of non-riders who are lured by the idea of riding a motorcycle without actually having to learn to ride a motorcycle, though these things have a learning curve all their own, and each is different.
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Five years later I had my right hip replaced and I was determined to get back on my two wheeler. Been there ever since. I've never had a problem. It works just like original equipment. Guess I am one of the lucky ones.
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Stu_O wrote:Joined this site today, just to post this, Mr. Hilgendorf? Must have been a slow day at the office. :mrgreen:

Last time I spoke with Dave S, he voiced pretty much the same opinion as me and had passed on the opportunity to publish a TMW review. So I'll be very interested to read what your test riders have to say at this point. Good to see you folks keeping an ear to the ground regarding folks' curiosity. BTW, the turnaround effort appears to be bearing fruit. Good work.

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We are not doing our standard MCN review on trikes (they aren't motorcycles). Due to a bit of interest from readers who can no longer hold up a heavy touring bike, we wanted to see why someone might choose a trike, and which one. The TMW was an interesting beast, and certainly fits a specific demographic, but it's not all benefits... All of the 5 trikes held some level of interest to me, for very different reasons. But I can say without question, the Can-Am Spyder F3 would be best for touring riders. It's close enough to a motorcycle, easy and relatively safe to ride (stability wise).
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Stu_O wrote:Joined this site today, just to post this, Mr. Hilgendorf? Must have been a slow day at the office. :mrgreen:

Last time I spoke with Dave S, he voiced pretty much the same opinion as me and had passed on the opportunity to publish a TMW review. So I'll be very interested to read what your test riders have to say at this point. Good to see you folks keeping an ear to the ground regarding folks' curiosity. BTW, the turnaround effort appears to be bearing fruit. Good work.

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WingAdmin wrote:
Stu_O wrote:Joined this site today, just to post this, Mr. Hilgendorf? Must have been a slow day at the office. :mrgreen:

Last time I spoke with Dave S, he voiced pretty much the same opinion as me and had passed on the opportunity to publish a TMW review. So I'll be very interested to read what your test riders have to say at this point. Good to see you folks keeping an ear to the ground regarding folks' curiosity. BTW, the turnaround effort appears to be bearing fruit. Good work.

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Glad to see the new editor of my longtime-favorite motorcycle magazine as well. We give away MCN subscriptions as our monthly prize from time to time.

I had a sinking feeling as I saw the pages start to dwindle and what seemed like longtime contributors fleeing, but I agree, the revamped and revitalized MCN is looking great.

I really, really wish you'd bring the back-cover Innovation of the Month back. It was one of my favorite bits, like a little reward after you had finished reading - and I ended up buying quite a few of those products!
Totally getting off topic :) Innovation was moved to the product review section, usually around page 14. We haven't had something innovative to test every month, but when we do it will be the first review. The goal is for it to remain the permanent lead for the product reviews section. We are aware that many people like the innovation and are always on the lookout for fun new products to include in that spot. We're not done fine tuning things, we needed to reorder the magazine more logically and we are continuing to secure the content to fill the new sections. Thanks for sticking with us!
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MCNeditor wrote: But I can say without question, the Can-Am Spyder F3 would be best for touring riders. It's close enough to a motorcycle, easy and relatively safe to ride (stability wise).
Couldn't agree more on the Spyder, though I haven't ridden the F3 yet. Curious how the RT appears aimed at GL1800 riders or wannabees, while the F3 does to the RT package what Honda's F6B did to the GL. Pretty transparent. They even used the F designation. Stability is really good, but ask Fred what happens if you jerk the handlebar almost full lock at low speed and go WFO at the same time. :shock: We were both at the RT's press intro. BTW, you may get some push back from BRP if you refer to the Spyder as a trike.


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