Dunlop Elite 4


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Dunlop Elite 4

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Anyone install the Elite 4's? I have on my F6B and now have a front end wobble between 40-70 kph. Steering head bearing was torqued and a super brace was added as well. The issue persists, but is less defined. Another wing rider I met in Ottawa had the same issue.


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I have never used Elite 4s, so my take may be out to lunch. I have Elite 3s on right now, and have used Dunlop D250s a couple of times. The call for inflation to 40 I believe, but I have upped mine to 43 in front and 40 in rear to avoid cupping of the tires which appears to be the main cause of the tire wobble you are referring to. If you up your pressure, you may just wear the cupping off again and the tire may smooth out. As your wobble is at higher speeds, I would suspect the rear tire rather than the front.
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I disagree that tire cupping causes wobble. It may be the case that a front tire replacement dampers the wobble, but the real culprit is the Wing front end.

The one thing that eliminates the wobble, and, flexing-forks steep lean-turns, is Traxxion upgrade. Then, you 'll be wobble free throughout the life of tires.

On my present (second wing) I have Traxxion springs and Traxxion triple tree. On my first Wing I had the Traxxion gas shocks, tapered bearing and that also works.

The Wing front end suspension is substandard for a bike this big. Maybe the 2018 will come out with an appropriate front end.
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GLer wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:17 am I disagree that tire cupping causes wobble. It may be the case that a front tire replacement dampers the wobble, but the real culprit is the Wing front end.

The one thing that eliminates the wobble, and, flexing-forks steep lean-turns, is Traxxion upgrade. Then, you 'll be wobble free throughout the life of tires.

On my present (second wing) I have Traxxion springs and Traxxion triple tree. On my first Wing I had the Traxxion gas shocks, tapered bearing and that also works.

The Wing front end suspension is substandard for a bike this big. Maybe the 2018 will come out with an appropriate front end.
If this were the case, then every wing and every F6B would have a wobble, and this is not the case. I agree that the wing front end is substandard for a bike this heavy, but all things considered, it does appear that higher inflation solves at least as many vibrations in the front as traxxion dynamics does, at far less cost. Personally, I would be attempting the less expensive solution first.

That said, I totally agree with front end rebuilds as soon as one possibly can on Goldwings and F6Bs because they are in fact inferior to the need.

One thing I did not mention about Elite 4s is that they have what I refer to as the dreaded groove around the center of the front tire. The D250s had it too. The Elite 3s did not. I do not like tires with this dreaded center groove, as it also seems to contribute to some vibration in the front end. I am going to stick with Elite 3s if I can continue to get them.
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I have Elite 4 on my 05 wing and I think they are pretty tire ,I run 40 front and 42 in rear.
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themainviking wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:21 am
GLer wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:17 am I disagree that tire cupping causes wobble. It may be the case that a front tire replacement dampers the wobble, but the real culprit is the Wing front end.

The one thing that eliminates the wobble, and, flexing-forks steep lean-turns, is Traxxion upgrade. Then, you 'll be wobble free throughout the life of tires.

On my present (second wing) I have Traxxion springs and Traxxion triple tree. On my first Wing I had the Traxxion gas shocks, tapered bearing and that also works.

The Wing front end suspension is substandard for a bike this big. Maybe the 2018 will come out with an appropriate front end.


One thing I did not mention about Elite 4s is that they have what I refer to as the dreaded groove around the center of the front tire. The D250s had it too. The Elite 3s did not. I do not like tires with this dreaded center groove, as it also seems to contribute to some vibration in the front end. I am going to stick with Elite 3s if I can continue to get them.
I never liked tires with that groove in the middle either. However, this E-4 I have in the front now has been a superb tire. While I always feared that the middle groove prompts a rolling deviation, it may in fact be that it is the most efficient water seeping we have seen on a tire yet...again, all these are guesses cause I don't have any empirical data on tire functionality.

I ''ll never own a Wing without a Traxxion upgrade unless they upgrade the front end in Japan first.
I must be the unlucky one. My two Wings have been wobblers. I hear of people that don't have the wobble...I wonder...
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GLer wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:51 pm I never liked tires with that groove in the middle either. However, this E-4 I have in the front now has been a superb tire. While I always feared that the middle groove prompts a rolling deviation, it may in fact be that it is the most efficient water seeping we have seen on a tire yet...again, all these are guesses cause I don't have any empirical data on tire functionality.

I ''ll never own a Wing without a Traxxion upgrade unless they upgrade the front end in Japan first.
I must be the unlucky one. My two Wings have been wobblers. I hear of people that don't have the wobble...I wonder...
I have no wobble, however, within 1000 miles of buying this bike brand new, I had upgraded to Progressive Springs and added a Fork Brace, disabled the anti dive, and put balance beads in the tires and increased the air pressure to 43 front 40 rear. I had studied Traxxion and everyone said I would gain an inch in clearance, which I did not wish to do. I already can only flatfoot this bike if I stand over the front of the saddle. I like Traxxion products but I also like Progressive Dynamics products, so for me it was six of one and a half dozen of the other, with PD winning out. My buddy put the PD monoshocks in his front forks after he had already tried the PD springs, and he did not find much difference although there must have been some.
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I just installed new E4's on my GL1500 and, so far, I'm very impressed. Ride quality is far better than the E3's, howling in turns is gone completely, and traction (particularly under hard braking) is hugely improved. I decided to try DynaBeads this time around (first time for me) and, so far, I like 'em.
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Here is my take from my experience. I had the full Traxxion installed in 2007 on my then 2006 gl1800 with 14000 miles on it. At that time they did not have the triple tree. Have had it serviced by Traxxion every 20000 and 50000 miles as recommended by Traxxion. At 200000 miles with worm but still legal bridgestones on it and a very bad wobble I had them do a full service. After the sevice the wobble was still there. It wasn't until I got home and replaced the tires that the wobble went away. I have two complete sets of rim so the old tires were still on the rims. As a test at 205000 miles I re installed the old tires and sure enough the wobble was back. Put the newer E3s back on and wobble gone.

Here is my point . Traxxion is not the answer there does not appear to be an answer that will get rid of the wobble for good.


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