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Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:55 pm



When I brake hard I hear a noise from the triple tree I think. It's a new 2016 with 8000 miles on it. Tried putting oncenter stand to see if anything is loose. Curious if anyone has had or heard of this. Thanks


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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:23 am

Is it a snapping plastic noise or more metallic sounding ???

With your hand, try smacking on and around the front fender area to see if you can reproduce it. Or, remove the upper front fender and the caliper covers and test ride it for the noise.

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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Asphaltmaniac » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:40 am

with the bike is on the center stand and you have a floor jack under the engine gently lift the fr tire off the ground. Then try to wiggle the fr forks forward and back see if it moves at all..

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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:48 pm

It's more of a metallic sound. A single pop. Put bike on center stand and tried to wiggle front end could not duplicate. I will try again with jack under front tomorrow. Thanks for suggestions.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Asphaltmaniac » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:45 am

Metal Mangler wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:48 pm
It's more of a metallic sound. A single pop. Put bike on center stand and tried to wiggle front end could not duplicate. I will try again with jack under front tomorrow. Thanks for suggestions.
Loose steering stem bearings or loose brake calipers is my best guess. So when you've the fr tire off the ground if you have a helper spin the fr tire and apply the brakes and see if anything thunks. Or perhaps someone before you had the forks out and didnt sufficiently torque all four fork clamps??? I realize the forks fit in the clamps snug too begin with but if you didn't buy the bike new there is no telling what someone before you did?? Also with it on the center stand hop on and stand on the foot pegs you can sort of cycle the front suspension. Go ez I've almost popped my off the center stand doing that...Ha! Anyway try that in the quiet of the garage.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by baumedagn » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:28 pm

If it's new, run it by the dealer and see if they can make it happen. It should still be within the warranty period and if you start tinkering around, they may get funny about covering the repair.

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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:56 am

Good idea. thanks if I am off this weekendI might ride up there and let them look at it.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by 823JIM » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:26 pm

I had something similar to this. After shop had replaced fork seals, they had the brake hose off the secondary master cylinder mounted on fork leg that activates the anti dive ( and I believe middle piston on rear caliper) and had not properly bleed it. With the air in the line it allowed the left brake caliper, which moves to activate the secondary master cylinder, to go all the way to the stops with out any resistance making a clunking noise when brakes were applied. Might be something to look at.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:29 pm

Today I put bike on center stand jacked up front end and tried to wiggle forks to no avail. Looked over calipers and forks for something binding. Bike is a 2016 with less than 8000 miles. I was out of commision for about 9 months last year. I would like to take the shelf of and check the nut for tightness. So maybe I will take it to the dealer next chance i get. Thanks
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Asphaltmaniac » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:33 pm

Metal Mangler wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:29 pm
Today I put bike on center stand jacked up front end and tried to wiggle forks to no avail. Looked over calipers and forks for something binding. Bike is a 2016 with less than 8000 miles. I was out of commision for about 9 months last year. I would like to take the shelf of and check the nut for tightness. So maybe I will take it to the dealer next chance i get. Thanks
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by aperry » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:31 pm

I just bought a 2008 and have the same issue. I was thinking it was the head bearings, since I also have the low speed wobble, but someone mentioned that it could be the brakes not being bled correctly. I just had the recall done on the brakes, so now I am wondering. Interesting to hear what you found out.

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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:44 am

aperry wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:31 pm
I just bought a 2008 and have the same issue. I was thinking it was the head bearings, since I also have the low speed wobble, but someone mentioned that it could be the brakes not being bled correctly. I just had the recall done on the brakes, so now I am wondering. Interesting to hear what you found out.
Do what I posted above.

"With your hand, try smacking on and around the front fender area to see if you can reproduce it. Or, remove the upper front fender and both caliper covers and test ride it for the noise." The 01-10s are notorious for fender noise. From 2012+ Honda did significant improvement to cut down on most of it.

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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:53 pm

Thanks for all the responses. I cannot duplicate it in the garage. I will take it out tomorrow and go to a parking lot and do some quick braking and try to pinpoint. Where I purchased it is not open on Saturday.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:52 am

Metal Mangler wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:53 pm
Thanks for all the responses. I cannot duplicate it in the garage. I will take it out tomorrow and go to a parking lot and do some quick braking and try to pinpoint. Where I purchased it is not open on Saturday.
Take a 5mm t-handled allen with you. That way you can duplicate the noise, remove the front fender and both caliper covers and re-test ride ... 8 easy to get to bolts.

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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:19 am

Ok I removed the front fender. Both brake covers. Went for a ride. I can duplicate when applying front brake. I also noticed coming down my driveway it will do it I don't have to be going fast just apply brake hard and then when I release it makes the noise, sounds like coming from shelf area. Kinda like a plastic sound. Scratching my head. Probably the triple tree nut allowing it to move. I cannot feel it on the center stand. Also tried to tightened everything on the lower front end. I used a zip tie and applied front brakes and shook the front end with tire cannot feel any play. But if it was barely loose not sure if I could feel anyway.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:06 am

Without hearing it, if it's not front fender related, then there are many other things it can be. For eample:
- worn/loose steering head bearings
- front brake pads not installed correctly
- calipers not installed/torqued correctly
- front tire not installed/torqued correctly

Let see if your Wing needs steering head bearings. Try this, on a flat road, while riding at 50mph in 5th gear, take you hands off the bars while allowing the mph to drop to about 30-35. Do you handle bars start to violently shimmy back and forth. If they do, make a mental note at what mph the shimmy occurs. To stop the handle bar shimmy, use open palms.

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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:46 am

Took the bike to the dealer this morning. Schroders in Hendersonville are open on Sundays. He took it for a ride his opinion was the steering column nut loose. He said they should be retorqued at 10 thousand anyway. Suggested I install tapered bearings. I purchased a set for my 2012 and never got a chance to do then my bike got totaled. I was rear ended. So i have a set already. Looks kinda like a large job. I think I will retorque and see if that stops the noise. So thats where i am at now will update when i find time to retorque. I have to make a socket I saw a drawing online somewhere. Thanks for all the input.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by tamathumper » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:41 pm

Soooo... you had a nut loose on the handle bars?! :D :lol:
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:08 pm

That's a good one. Can I use? Looking for dimensions for making me a socket. I have saw somewhere but cannot locate one now.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by tamathumper » Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:15 am

Yes, of course you may use!

If you don't want to make the tool, I think there's a tool loaner program for it, if I'm thinking of the right thing.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:28 pm

I did found a socket. I am going to tighten it up and try to see if the noise stops. Thanks for all the input. I will update when i complete the task might be a week or two.
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:05 pm

I got my socket in so I am going to do my steering head bearings tomorrow. I have looked for some good instructions on replacing. I have a Manuel .i saw wingadmins post on repacking. I am confident I can do it. But i like as much info as I can have. I will repost when complete and inform if the noise goes away. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:31 am

Well I am tore down. Eating some lunch and going to out her back together.


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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by Metal Mangler » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:12 pm

Well it's done. The noise is gone. It wasn't to bad. I kind of enjoyed it. Saved me 500 bucks. But I made a detailed instruction when I removed something so I would not get it out of order when reinstalling. I also took photos which I referred to often. Thanks for all the input. Also when I removed the nut that's on top of the upper bearing it is supposed to be torque at 19 foot pounds I tried to torque it before removal it went about 45 degrees or1/4 turn so it loosened up from factory.


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Re: Noise when braking hard from triple tree?

Post by bhulse » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:21 am

Asphaltmaniac nailed it for you in his suggestion to jack up the front while the bike is on the centerstand. It takes quite a push aft and tug forward to detect loose steering bearings! While the front tire is off the ground and after re-torqueing the bearings I move the handlebars left and right numerous times to assure myself there is no interference with wires or hoses. It also immediately gives me feedback with a slight but uniform resistance. (lock to lock) Now lets hope you plugged everything back in upon reassembly.



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