2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off


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2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:08 am



01-05-2019 Saturday
The following happened to me twice.
Once from the HONDA Dealership and once from me. So I'm thinking there must be a problem with HONDA Technology. Here's why I'm thinking this.

As some of you know, the HONDA Gold Wing has a Hesitation Problem on acceleration when COLD (some of you don't and some of other do). I do have this problem. I'm not able to take off 2 or 3 minutes of warming the bike bue to it boggles and feels as if it will shutdown.
On December 29th, 2018 miles on my bike are 110,219.
I installed NGK IRIDIUM-IX Spark Plugs (BKR6EIX-11) from Auto Zone, they cost $45.40 for the 6 of them. I (me) set the Gap to .040 exact for all 6 plugs (they were preset @ .043 out the box). The HONDA specs gap for this bike is between .039 - .043. No unusual problem running before installing these new plugs. I just changed to be changing. The old plugs were BKR5E-11. The Gap was .055 (Wow) of all 6 of the old plugs (I guess this big of a gap is due to the wear of the electroid (I think)). They still looked good to me!! I put 55,975 miles on the old plugs.

Here's what happened after installing the new plugs.
I noticed a difference for the better. I was able to take off after about 2 to 3 minutes of warming the bike up. I had no hesitation whatsoever. Was I happy or what??? Yes I was very much happy. In fact it made me feel good again riding this HONDA. This feeling only lasted for a short time. Two days and about 3 or 4 COLD Startups to be exact. The symptom came back. And as I typed above it came back in 2 days. I started the bike maybe four or five times of COLD starts with riding in between with no hesitation. But after starting again and waiting about 2 to 3 minutes I couldn't take off smoothly because of the hesitation problem again. This was at about the 5th COLD start.
I am now back to having the hesitation problem and only being able to take off after the temperature reaches the halfway mark on the temperature gauge to take off smoothly with no hesitation.
This is why I think HONDA has a technology problem. This same problem happened to me in California at a HONDA Dealership Service. They did some other service work and also changed the spark plugs. I was happy then when I experienced no hesitation and then the hesitation came back after 4 or 5 COLD starts.

What could be causing this of running good and then after 4 or 5 COLD starts its hesitation all over again???
Any ideas???



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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by newday777 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:04 am

Have you reset the ECM?
Be sure radiator is topped off(full of coolant at radiator cap- not just reservoir).
Disconnect the negative battery cable for 10 minutes when bike is cold, overnight.
Bike on centerstand.
Hook back up and start, do not touch throttle or anything else, let run to warm up, fans kick on(feel to be sure both sans are blowing) and let run untill fans cycle off then turn off key. Start back up and go for a ride.
Report back with a reply here how it does next cold start.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by newday777 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:24 am

Another option is to have your ECM reflashed here

http://blog.cruisemansgarage.com/2014/0 ... h.html?m=1

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by C-dub » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:21 pm

I must be getting old. :roll:

I let it warm up. No problem.

If I don't or can't, I go easy the first 0.5 miles or whatever until it does. No problem.
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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Asphaltmaniac » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:02 pm

I had a hesitation with my 06 last fall, it turned out to be a weakened 5-6 coil. So go back to basics...You did the plugs hows the AF. And did this problem creep up on you or was just suddenly there? You get this bike new? Used? Does it act completely normal warm? Or maybe just maybe its not quite 100% as you recall? But you say it comes and goes.
What changes between it coming and going?
I sure wish bikes had OBDII how wonderful it would be to plug in a scan tool and see whats happening.... :)

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:54 pm

01-16-2019 Wednesday
I haven't been here in a while due to busy etc... , but okay you guys, thanks for the replies, comments & suggestions.
I'm just getting able to read on the site again.

As for the reply from Asphaltmaniac, sorry but I'm dumb to what AF mean and really don't know the basics. All I know is how to change the spark plugs (just learned a week or so ago) and oil & filter. I know nothing about 5-6 coil. This hesitation existed since a week or so after me purchasing the bike new off the showroom floor with 000,000 miles. About 4 week later I took back to dealer and told them of the hesitation problem. They say they could not find a problem. I still had the hesitation and I took to a different dealer (all HONDA Dealerships only). They said it wasn't a problem. So I still had hesitation problems and months later I took back to the first Dealership. They said they did something to the ECM etc… and also told me that they called HONDA and told them my problem. This Dealership told me that HONDA said as long as NO F1 CODE was displayed on the dash, the bike has no problem. Anyway, I don't remember me typing that it comes & goes. Sorry if I did but it doesn't come & goes. It only happens on COLD take-offs when the bike has sat over an hour or so. But I am content with just warming the bike up until the needle reaches almost to the halfway mark on the temperature gauge (I'm in no rush). I've been doing it ever since the 3rd visit to the HONDA Dealership when they said I was not letting the bike warm up to proper operating temperature.
I've never did any mechanical work on this bike except for the very first oil & filter change about 3 weeks after purchasing it and just a couple of weeks ago (December 29th, 2018) of me changing the spark plugs for my first time.
Is changing the 5-6 coil an easy task???
I am very comfortable changing the spark plugs. Is the 5-6 coil change about the same process???

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:57 pm

01-16-2019 Wednesday

Hey C-dub,
thanks for your reply and interest. But I don't "it's old" that you're getting. It is really what is needed to be done!!! Let the bike get to proper operating temperature. That's it. You are correct. And that's what I've been doing ever since. The bike has always run well after proper operating temperature has been reached.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:59 pm

01-16-2019 Wednesday

Hello member newday777,
thanks for your input of suggestions. HONDA did do something like that on my 3rd or 4th visit to them with the same complaint. But I don't think it was what Don Guhl of Guhl Motors do. They did say they did something to the ECM though. Thanks again but I think I'll skip that $375.00 price and just be content and let it warm up to proper operating temperature.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:01 pm

01-16-2019 Wednesday

Oh, hello again newday777,
thinks again for these new tips. I must surely check these suggestions out when time permits! Your suggestions here sounds good and I even think I can do them. I think I will try but not promising right of way.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:15 pm

01-16-2019 Wednesday

All-in-all, my 2013 HONDA Gold Wing Level 3 is still running great just as if just out of the showroom brand new when it is warmed up to operating temperature.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:21 pm

01-16-2019 Wednesday

Also, anybody???

I tried to post some pictures but error messages came back stating "Too Large" of a file. It was one picture that I was trying to post. I was going to do one by one at a time.

What am I doing wrong???

Anybody??? Thanks.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by newday777 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:26 pm


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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by newday777 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:33 pm

I had that problem posting pictures a couple years ago. I don't think I changed any settings on my phone before or after.

I'm trying a test now of a picture I took on my phone to see if it posts here now. Seems to be working.

Onelegger wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:21 pm
01-16-2019 Wednesday

Also, anybody???

I tried to post some pictures but error messages came back stating "Too Large" of a file. It was one picture that I was trying to post. I was going to do one by one at a time.

What am I doing wrong???

Anybody??? Thanks.
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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:47 pm

01-16-2019 Wednesday

Ok newday777, I guess it's something I'm not doing correctly or my phone not compatible with posting to this site. Anyway thanks.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:06 am

01-16-2019 Wednesday

Wow, I finally got it.
This is a picture of one of my good looking spark plugs that I replaced.

Don't it look still good???


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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by newday777 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:22 am

Yes it looks good.
I remember reading posts on changing to different plug range to correct it back in 2013/2014 area, probably on the gl1800riders.com forum.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Asphaltmaniac » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:36 am

Onelegger wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:54 pm
01-16-2019 Wednesday
I haven't been here in a while due to busy etc... , but okay you guys, thanks for the replies, comments & suggestions.
I'm just getting able to read on the site again.

As for the reply from Asphaltmaniac, sorry but I'm dumb to what AF mean and really don't know the basics. All I know is how to change the spark plugs (just learned a week or so ago) and oil & filter. I know nothing about 5-6 coil. This hesitation existed since a week or so after me purchasing the bike new off the showroom floor with 000,000 miles. About 4 week later I took back to dealer and told them of the hesitation problem. They say they could not find a problem. I still had the hesitation and I took to a different dealer (all HONDA Dealerships only). They said it wasn't a problem. So I still had hesitation problems and months later I took back to the first Dealership. They said they did something to the ECM etc… and also told me that they called HONDA and told them my problem. This Dealership told me that HONDA said as long as NO F1 CODE was displayed on the dash, the bike has no problem. Anyway, I don't remember me typing that it comes & goes. Sorry if I did but it doesn't come & goes. It only happens on COLD take-offs when the bike has sat over an hour or so. But I am content with just warming the bike up until the needle reaches almost to the halfway mark on the temperature gauge (I'm in no rush). I've been doing it ever since the 3rd visit to the HONDA Dealership when they said I was not letting the bike warm up to proper operating temperature.
I've never did any mechanical work on this bike except for the very first oil & filter change about 3 weeks after purchasing it and just a couple of weeks ago (December 29th, 2018) of me changing the spark plugs for my first time.
Is changing the 5-6 coil an easy task???
I am very comfortable changing the spark plugs. Is the 5-6 coil change about the same process???
Sorry I meant did you read the plugs. but if you've had this off and on since new its certainly not a coil. My 06 had the famous tiny Goldwing cold temp flat spot. I finally got around to trying Electrical connections ECM enhancer and after adjustments my flat spot is gone.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:00 pm

01-19-2019 Saturday

Hi newday777,
I thought so!!!
All of my plugs looked similar to this one.
I thought this look was good too.
But I still changed them.
Thanks for the true agreement.

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Re: 2013 GL1800 Level 3, Hesitation on COLD take off

Post by Onelegger » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:49 pm

01-19-2019 Saturday

Hi Asphaltmaniac,
Thanks for your suggestions with the ECM.
But I am not thinking about putting more money into this problem of the bike. Maybe other problems but not this one.
I'm just going to be content with waiting and letting the proper temperature be reached before I take off riding.

I won't be (B)witching about this again.
I'm letting it go, but will have HONDA on my mind in the future with a negative and a positive thought when making a new purchase again with HONDA. And that's a BIG IF. Thanks again.

And typing of positive, one particular component on the bike I really noticed work well is the setting for the radio. When I am going faster, and faster from a stop, I notice that the music do get louder & louder the faster I go. This setting really work. I don't know what it is. But I can testify that the setting work great.
Do you or are you familiar with what I'm typing about??? Maybe this positive statement should be put in a positive section of this site!!!

And typing about negative again on my part again, I'm going to post about my heated seat not working properly. Maybe you might know my problem with heated seat.



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