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Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:17 pm



I'm getting an error when I attempt to change the swingarm on my 2008 GL1800. That's all the screen says, error, when I use either up or down button. I just found this while reading the owners manual looking for how the lower lights are turned on as they don't appear to work either. As far as I can tell that is the only two problems I have with it. Bought the Champion conversion trike in September but had it in storage until April. Learning as I go.
Life is a learning experience, Right???
Now that I'm retarded, errr, retired I can play all I want...

Thanks for any advice and help you can provide,

Bill



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Re: Swingarm error

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:39 pm

Does your Champion have solid or independent rear suspension.

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:32 pm

Thanks for a reply, it has a solid axle.

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:26 pm

Hi All,
Does anyone have any ideas on things to look for? Or a way to determine what the problem is?

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:24 pm

A solid axel Champion uses an unmodified OEM rear shock system. The only difference is that the bottom of the rear shock mounts to a modified swing-arm instead of the OEM swing arm. Everything else is the same.

Make sure the battery tests good, and that the cables are clean and tight. Pull the right side panel and make sure both connections to the shock's pump are clean and connected correctly. Next, remove the left front pocket, and do the same for the connection attached to the pig-tail coming out of the left switch panel with the suspension controls.

Any luck with any of the simple stuff first ???

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:04 pm

Thank you, I will check those connections tomorrow when I get to the bike again.

Bill

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:10 pm

I didn't see anything that appeared to be wrong. Anything else I can check?

Thanks again for the help,

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:31 am

bigbillh wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:10 pm
I didn't see anything that appeared to be wrong. Anything else I can check?

Thanks again for the help,

Bill
Sorry ... but I'm gonna send Techdude your way. I specifically wrote the 1st paragraph in post 5 for his info. I was hoping he'd visit this forum by now, but let me see if I can get him over here. He's the only one that's been willing to spend time studying the various system on 5th gens, and he knows them well.

FYI ... just follow his advise. Nothing more, nothing less ... just do as he says and clearly answer his questions.

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by Techdude2000 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:21 am

bigbillh wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:17 pm
I'm getting an error when I attempt to change the swingarm on my 2008 GL1800. That's all the screen says, error, when I use either up or down button. I just found this while reading the owners manual looking for how the lower lights are turned on as they don't appear to work either. As far as I can tell that is the only two problems I have with it. Bought the Champion conversion trike in September but had it in storage until April. Learning as I go.
Life is a learning experience, Right???
Now that I'm retarded, errr, retired I can play all I want...

Thanks for any advice and help you can provide,

Bill
Ok, does the neutral light, reverse light, and radio all work correctly? What option level is it for schematics?

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:17 pm

Hi Techdude2000,
Thank You for helping!
Yes, neutral, reverse and radio all work. The only other problem I have is the lower driving lights don't come on. I can't find a seperate switch for them. Navigation, turn signals etc. all work.
I don't know what the option level for schematics is that you asked about.
Thanks again,
Bill

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by Techdude2000 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:29 pm

bigbillh wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:17 pm
Hi Techdude2000,
Thank You for helping!
Yes, neutral, reverse and radio all work. The only other problem I have is the lower driving lights don't come on. I can't find a seperate switch for them. Navigation, turn signals etc. all work.
I don't know what the option level for schematics is that you asked about.
Thanks again,
Bill
Ok, option level, base model, or NAV, or ABS, or AIRBAG, etc?

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:45 pm

Hi Techdude2000,
Again thank You for helping!
2008 GL1800 with Champion solid axle trike conversion. Full Nav, no CB, ABS or Airbag. That's all the extras that I know of.
I've owned a 96 Ultra Classic for years and only just switched to the trike. I wasn't having any problems with the Harley but at 71 the first time I have a problem may be my last, hence the trike.
Bill

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by Techdude2000 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:10 pm

bigbillh wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:45 pm
Hi Techdude2000,
Again thank You for helping!
2008 GL1800 with Champion solid axle trike conversion. Full Nav, no CB, ABS or Airbag. That's all the extras that I know of.
I've owned a 96 Ultra Classic for years and only just switched to the trike. I wasn't having any problems with the Harley but at 71 the first time I have a problem may be my last, hence the trike.
Bill
Ok, have you checked the Suspension level fuse?

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:13 pm

Yes I did. All the fuses are good.

Bill

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by Techdude2000 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:19 pm

bigbillh wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:13 pm
Yes I did. All the fuses are good.

Bill
Ok, do you have a copy of the Honda Service manual? I’ve got to get to bed, got a busy day tomorrow. If you have the service manual, go to the suspension section and perform the motor test. I’ll catch up tomorrow.

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:42 pm

I'm sorry I don't have the service manual.
I looked it up but I can't pop around $125 for one right now.
I'll look for anything I can find online concerning the motor test.

Bill

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:25 am

I just found and bought a pdf file of the service manual. Hopefully it will give me the info I need to answer your questions.

Bill

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Post by GoldWingrGreg » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:50 am

So that you can have an answer the next time Rob steps in, he is probably asking you to do this test. However, for this test, you may not have to remove/pull loose the right saddle bag. You will have to remove the right side cover. See picture in your Service Manual ... in my manual 15-11.

12.Actuator Motor Operation Inspection at Actuator Motor
Remove the right saddlebag (page 3-22). Release the actuator motor connector from the rear fender and disconnect it.
Check the actuator motor operation by connect- ing the fully charged 12-V battery.
• If the angle sensor resistance is 2.5 kΩ or more:
Connect the battery positive (+) terminal to the Light green/red wire terminal of the actua- tor motor connector and the battery negative (–) terminal to the Green wire terminal within 3 seconds (max. 3 seconds).
• If the angle sensor resistance is 2.5 kΩ or less: Connect the battery positive (+) terminal to the Green wire terminal of the actuator motor connector and the battery negative (–) termi- nal to the Light green/red wire terminal within 3 seconds (max. 3 seconds).
Does the actuator motor operate when con- nected as described above?
NO – Faulty actuator motor; replace the shock absorber assembly (page 15-17).
YES – Open circuit in the Brown/white and Green wires between the suspension level relays and actuator motor connector.

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:30 pm

Hi!
Looks like I'll have to wait until I can get to my sons house and get the trike up on a couple of car risers to get under the rear end. Maybe I can remove the right tire and have access? Hmm, will have to try that. It may be a few days as I don't know his schedule over the next week.

Thank You Very Much, both of you.
Bill

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by GoldWingrGreg » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:42 am

I forgot you have a trike, but you should still have access for that test after only removing the right side cover.

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:00 pm

Hi Ya,
There isn't a side cover unless it is behind the wheel. I can't try that for a couple of weeks when my son will be home for me to try it.
I may have found the problem, or at least a problem. Just for info, the screen shows it at the bottom position. I pulled the relay pack out and reversed the two 20a relays, up and down, and the screen showed that it went up. I reversed them again and the screen showed it went down. I replaced the 20a relay (up) that I thought was bad with the heater 20a relay but it wouldn't move. I went to the local Honda dealer but he doesn't stock that relay. Says he's never sold one. I'm going to research the part number for both relays and order them from "somebody" that has them. I'll see what happens at that point and let you know.
Thanks again for all the help and directions, :D
Bill

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Re: Swingarm error

Post by bigbillh » Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:42 pm

Hi All,
Just a quick note to notify you of the resolution of my problem with the swing arm.
I found that one of the relays was bad. I ordered 3 relays, one each for the up and down and a spare. I replaced both relays today and the swing arm now works fine. I had to wait for the company I ordered them from to get them in. So all is well. At least for now!!!

Thanks for the help,

Bill :D :D :D



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