squishy sound while bleeding the clutch


Information and questions on GL1800 Goldwings (2001-2017)
Post Reply
abenadam
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu May 28, 2020 6:37 pm
Location: Boston
Motorcycle: GL1800

squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by abenadam »



I'm absolutely exhausted after spending evening and three bottles of DOR4 while bleeding the clutch. There is no bubbles coming out of bleeding valve but clutch makes squishy/swampy/annoying sounds
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Hj8bt5VrHKtA7Z3A
How can I get rid from that? :cry:

As a side note, I can't switch gears - bikes stays in OD everytime. I've tried to start the bike, but then smoke starts, looks like from the clutch.


User avatar
GoldWingrGreg
Posts: 815
Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:18 am
Location: Zephyrhills, Florida
Motorcycle: 89 GL1500
03 GL1800
04 GL1800(abs)
05 GL1800(abs)
07 GL1800(abs)
Contact:

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by GoldWingrGreg »

The noise is normal. All 5th gens do that. 5th gens have an oil assisted clutch, which means there is a chamber that empties of oil pressure when the engine is off. The chamber sits within the clutch basket. You're hearing the well oiled emptied chamber moving in and out. When the engine is running, the chamber is filled with pressurized oil.

As for all your smoking, be sure to clean the slave cylinder area with a spray can of Brake Clean (red can).
abenadam
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu May 28, 2020 6:37 pm
Location: Boston
Motorcycle: GL1800

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by abenadam »

Thanks Greg,
Assuming that sucking sound might be normal, I'm worried about other two things.
1. Shifting.
This morning, after adding about a quart of oil (the stick was dry) and getting the engine running, it looks like I'm able to switch N-2-3-4-5 and back, but it is not smooth and requires some play with lever. And I can't shift into the 1st at all. It just does nothing. When moving lever down with a hand, it moves, but I can't feel that it trying to touch/move something inside the engine.

2. Smoke
This is a clutch smoke, with typical smell. Even if 'N' light is on, it still produce visible smoke somewhere from rear cover.
User avatar
Viking
Posts: 3709
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:59 pm
Location: North Bay, Ontario, Canada
Motorcycle: 2009 GL1800 AD
1987 Harley Softail Custom
1974 Harley FLH (sold)
1965 Harley FLHE (sold)
1957 Harley Chopper (sold)

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by Viking »

Make absolutely sure that your engine has enough oil in it or one of the problems will be a burnt out clutch. Your clutch works with the same oil as your engine. You can not operate either one of them safely if you do not have oil in the engine, and that means enough oil to the level required on the dipstick.
It ain't about the destination - it's all about the journey

Image
abenadam
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu May 28, 2020 6:37 pm
Location: Boston
Motorcycle: GL1800

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by abenadam »

Triple checked oil level - it is full. Still smoking
In 'N' rear wheel is not moving
All other - it does
Shifting gears seems to be easier now N through OD and back, but still no 1st
User avatar
tamathumper
Posts: 584
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:02 pm
Location: Charlotte, NC
Motorcycle: 2003 GL1800A

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by tamathumper »

Are you checking the oil the correct way? It's a weird process, and you can't just take the dipstick out and look at it.

1. Level surface.
2. Start motor, run 3 minutes.
3. Stop motor, wait 3 minutes.
4. Check dipstick.

Also, did it ever shift well, or is this a new thing?
'03 GL1800A - Warning: fopen() [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: Sense of humor not found on line 2
abenadam
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu May 28, 2020 6:37 pm
Location: Boston
Motorcycle: GL1800

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by abenadam »

1,2,3 - checked. Level is OK.
4 - I've replaced alternator bearing. During that engine was removed and rear crankcase with clutch removed as well.

Total used oil after disassembling is about 4.9 Qt. this is what service manual says.

Could it be that smoke is because oil is not circulated through the engine or just through the clutch for some reason?
Could it be related to problem with shifting into the 1st?
User avatar
GoldWingrGreg
Posts: 815
Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:18 am
Location: Zephyrhills, Florida
Motorcycle: 89 GL1500
03 GL1800
04 GL1800(abs)
05 GL1800(abs)
07 GL1800(abs)
Contact:

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by GoldWingrGreg »

abenadam wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:17 am Triple checked oil level - it is full. Still smoking
In 'N' rear wheel is not moving
All other - it does
Shifting gears seems to be easier now N through OD and back, but still no 1st
As for not going into 1st, is your shift linkage installed correctly ??? It should point upward at about 12:15.

As for your smoking, does your oil smell burnt ??? Pull the dip stick and smell it. If the engine was pulled for a ADG repair, maybe your clutch pack was not assembled correctly.
abenadam
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu May 28, 2020 6:37 pm
Location: Boston
Motorcycle: GL1800

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by abenadam »

it is ingeniously!!
I made a mark how to put linkage back, but still installed it in the way it hit the engine. Had to reinstall it . Now it shift, but I can shift the gears without even pulling the clutch. That probably explains the smoke. Need to figure how to fix the catch without taking the engine off. Based on service manual it should be possible, and the other question what I did wrong.
User avatar
GoldWingrGreg
Posts: 815
Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:18 am
Location: Zephyrhills, Florida
Motorcycle: 89 GL1500
03 GL1800
04 GL1800(abs)
05 GL1800(abs)
07 GL1800(abs)
Contact:

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by GoldWingrGreg »

Every part of the clutch, other than the basket, is serviceable while the engine is mounted in the frame.

Did you pull the dip-stick and smell the oil ???
abenadam
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu May 28, 2020 6:37 pm
Location: Boston
Motorcycle: GL1800

Re: squishy sound while bleeding the clutch

Post by abenadam »

Hi Greg,
Seems that this millimeter difference in shifter linkage position made a difference. It could be also something else, that I’ll monitor, but after another service manual reading and a little playing with it I finished the job.
First short ride two hours ago. That’s F-16 after VT1100 (my other bike). I’ll take her for another round spin today, but so far she is good - no smoke and good shifting.
Many many thanks for final advise about linkage. I was so depressed after putting everything back, replacing all gaskets, washers, O-rings, bolts and finding that it doesn’t shift well ....


Post Reply