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CB Radio

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I checked earlier post(s) dealing with OEM Honda CB Radio (1800 GL) problems, but couldn't find anything that solved my problem.
I bought a used Honda OEM CB radio online, taken from a 2008 GW, and installed it in my '01 1800 GL. Turning it on it showed on the display, I switched it to speaker, but no sound whatsoever.
All other functions like FM radio, MP3, WB work just fine. The squelch is all the way up to 20, the volume is up to the top as well, but no sound despite the speaker shows on the display. Any suggestions or ideas? Thanks in advance!


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Start by turning the squelch down. The way it should work is that you turn it down until it makes horrible sounds, then turn it up just until they stop. Once that point is reached, transmissions in your area, on the channel you are on, should be heard.
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Viking wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:37 pm Start by turning the squelch down. The way it should work is that you turn it down until it makes horrible sounds, then turn it up just until they stop. Once that point is reached, transmissions in your area, on the channel you are on, should be heard.
What he said
I know this is a dumb question but is someone transmitting to you when you're trying to hear?
With the squelch turned all the way up, you'll hear nothing!
Don't forget to tune the SWR
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As above, start with lowest squelch setting and see if you hear static.

Does display show headset icon next to "CB" and channel?

My concern with a used CB is if someone has keyed the transmitter with no antenna or a "dummy" load attached, it can damage the unit.
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Here's your go to for checking your Radio:
https://www.sierra-mc.com/contact.asp
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Viking, Deputy, and Andy, thank you very much! I turned down the squelch and finally got some "noise". Haven't tuned the SWR yet, but will do so soon. Also, I am a newbie at cb-ing.

Thank Y'All again,
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Lasalle wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:29 am Viking, Deputy, and Andy, thank you very much! I turned down the squelch and finally got some "noise". Haven't tuned the SWR yet, but will do so soon. Also, I am a newbie at cb-ing.

Thank Y'All again,
Lasalle
Since you are a newby to CB-ing, maybe you should leave the SWR check for later. Ask around your circle of friends to see if anyone has knowledge about checking the SWR.
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Lasalle wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:29 am Viking, Deputy, and Andy, thank you very much! I turned down the squelch and finally got some "noise". Haven't tuned the SWR yet, but will do so soon. Also, I am a newbie at cb-ing.

Thank Y'All again,
Lasalle

take the bike to your local radio shop, they can set the swr for you. My advice is not to key up the mike until you have the swr checked and set correctly.
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Thank Y'All for your advice. I haven't had a chance yet to go about the SWR due to being busy otherwise. I'll report back as soon as I get a chance to do so.
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There are still local radio shops?
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tamathumper wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:43 am There are still local radio shops?
Yes, who do you think work on police and commercial two way radio's? The alternative is for the OP to purcahse a swr meter and do the check himself. I just installed a J&M CB on my ST1300 and I set the swr myself. However, when I installed the CB on my Goldwing, I had it done at a radio shop in my home town at the time.
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If you have trouble locating a Radio shop some truck stops provide that service.
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Takes special connectors to use SWR meter:
https://www.sierra-mc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SIE-SWR12
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tfdeputydawg wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:59 am Takes special connectors to use SWR meter:
https://www.sierra-mc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SIE-SWR12
Yep.

If you're going thru that much trouble, read up on how to tune an antenna & make it a DIY task:

http://www.firestik.com/Meas-SWR.htm#Setting%20SWR
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Here's an article I wrote on this long ago: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4168
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And you done a very good job on the article. If they read it and comprehend the article, they will have no problem.
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WingAdmin wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:55 pm Here's an article I wrote on this long ago: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4168
Very well done for that model Wing. The SWR meter can be inserted just in front of the trunk under the seat on an 1800.
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tamathumper wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:43 am There are still local radio shops?
He's talking about the shops who handle commercial and public safety radios.

There ARE still local CB shops -- often found at truck stops (or nearby with big signs to attract drivers' attention).

The only adjustment you need to make is antenna length. Matching the length of the antenna and transmission line to the final output circuit of the radio gives the most efficiency and keeps the finals cooler. A Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) of 1:1 is perfect. The meter is likely to read in just the second number, in which case anything less than 1.5 is good enough, anything above 2.0 MUST be corrected.

You will need to call ahead. Dunno about other models, but the GL1500 stock CB setup uses "Motorola plugs" (like those on your normal AM/FM car radio), so you need to make sure the shop has the adapters (most do). You will also need to bring the tools to remove the seat (to reach the connectors). The seat will need to go back on, so they need to use a couple of cables.

You will earn the gratitude of the radio tech if you set a time to be there, get there a little early, pull the seat, find and disconnect the CB antenna cable, THEN go inside and get them. Once they hook up the meter, set the seat back in place -- you need to have them adjust the antenna WHILE YOU ARE SITTING IN RIDING POSITION. If you will normally ride with a passenger, sit in her/his seat. Believe it or not, your skeleton acts as a reflector, and will affect antenna matching. Techs at CB shops probably won't think about this, because they are used to antennas mounted outside, not a foot or two away from the operator. Even techs at shops that do a lot of copcycles may not think about it.

And no, you're not going to bake yourself on 5 watts at 27 Megahertz. You can sit there all day long. Motorola has motorcycle versions of their mobile radios, which are lower-powered (for instance, 15 watts at 150 MHz) and are well below the caution range. DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT put an amp on a motorcycle transmitter!!! On a CB, this is illegal and every amp I've seen is powerful enough to create a health hazard. On a commercial, public safety or ham install, this is likely to take you into unsafe radiation exposure range, and should not be done unless you are familiar enough with the calculations that you don't need my advice in the first place.

If you're STILL tempted, consider the amount of power that would be sucked up by the amp. Guys in trucks and cars can see headlights dim slightly when the amp kicks in, imagine how your motorcycle system will react.

Seriously, if you want the CB because the other riders in the pack have them, extra power won't be of any value anyhow. Forget the "footwarmer!"

If you're putting a ham radio on, set the power to 15 watts or less.

I wouldn't worry too much about the radio having been keyed with no antenna -- CB power output is a whole, whopping 4 watts (the tech can tell you what you're actually putting out, which will be between 3 and 5 watts). You would have to HOLD the PTT switch to warm up the final output enough to burn it out. Dunno about the Honda CB, but most radios these days have protection circuits that reduce power if the SWR is too high.

If you like farkle lights, the CB shop may have a little neon bulb that attaches to the top of your antenna, and will light when you transmit.
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Lasalle wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:12 pm I checked earlier post(s) dealing with OEM Honda CB Radio (1800 GL) problems, but couldn't find anything that solved my problem.
I bought a used Honda OEM CB radio online, taken from a 2008 GW, and installed it in my '01 1800 GL. Turning it on it showed on the display, I switched it to speaker, but no sound whatsoever.
All other functions like FM radio, MP3, WB work just fine. The squelch is all the way up to 20, the volume is up to the top as well, but no sound despite the speaker shows on the display. Any suggestions or ideas? Thanks in advance!
Did you get the Honda CB Antenna with it as well?

Since it is used, it is possible that the original owner tested the SWR on the bike it was installed on and may have already trimmed the antenna to match the SWR to that bike and antenna.

With that in mind, the antenna may be a bit shorter than stock. Usually the Honda antenna needs to be shortened to bring the SWR into spec. If that is the case, your SWR may already be close to proper but will still need to be checked. The vehicle that the antenna is installed on is part of the SWR equation. Switching the antenna from one vehicle to another will change the SWR.

No matter what it is set at, it will still work and will not hurt the radio as SoLo So Long has stated. I am sure that there are hundreds if not thousands of Gold Wings out there with CB radios that have never had the CB Radio's SWR checked or adjusted.

A case in oint, I had a riding partner in 2001 that had a 1995 Honda Gold Wind SE that had never had the SWR checked. He always had trouble getting reliable transmissions at much more than a quarter mile away but never worried about it since he was always riding with people that were much closer.
I offered to check his SWR. When I got the seat off, I discovered that the CB radio was connected to the AM/FM radio and the AM/FM radio was connected to the CB antenna. The SE model came from the factory with the CB radio and antenna already installed so this had been that way since the bike was put together when new.

Interestingly enough, the AM/FM antenna was mounted on the LEFT side of the trunk and the CB radio antenna was mountedd on the RIGHT side of the trunk, oposite of where they should have been. We left them where they were but connected the cabling so that the respective radios were connected to their proper antennas. All systems are still working as they are supposed to up to this day.
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The CB didn't come with an antenna, so I purchased an OEM antenna. It found an interesting post on the web by someone who came up with the idea not to run the antenna connection under the seat, but leaving it near the CB.

The URL is: http://goldwing.eurekaboy.com/cbantenna.htm

I haven't adjusted the length of the antenna using the SWR yet, and didn't have a chance to ride since I posted my first question.

Let me thank Y'All a bunch again for your advice(s)!

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Lasalle wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:52 pm The CB didn't come with an antenna, so I purchased an OEM antenna. It found an interesting post on the web by someone who came up with the idea not to run the antenna connection under the seat, but leaving it near the CB.

The URL is: http://goldwing.eurekaboy.com/cbantenna.htm

I haven't adjusted the length of the antenna using the SWR yet, and didn't have a chance to ride since I posted my first question.

Let me thank Y'All a bunch again for your advice(s)!

Lasalle
I like that idea. I wish I would have thought of it. Makes pretty good sense.
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Lasalle wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:52 pm The CB didn't come with an antenna, so I purchased an OEM antenna. It found an interesting post on the web by someone who came up with the idea not to run the antenna connection under the seat, but leaving it near the CB.
Great idea, until he has to REMOVE THE TOP BOX or replace a damaged antenna.

That's why the Honda guys went to all the trouble and added expense of putting the antenna connections under the seat.


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