Bike will not engage starter


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Odgreen
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Bike will not engage starter

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Help, put 75 miles on the 2006 goldwing moto trike yesterday. Stopped at the gas station to fill up and the bike won't start. Checked the kill switch and all was good with it. The gauges are responding to the key being on. It's like the starter circuit just don't want to play. Any help will be appreciated.
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Odgreen wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:18 pm Help, put 75 miles on the 2006 goldwing moto trike yesterday. Stopped at the gas station to fill up and the bike won't start. Checked the kill switch and all was good with it. The gauges are responding to the key being on. It's like the starter circuit just don't want to play. Any help will be appreciated.
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When you turn on the key, are you getting the FI light on for a couple of seconds? Good neutral light? What does it do when you hit the button? Any loud clicks from the battery area?
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Sorry for the delay, out of town for a couple days. Everything looks good with the neutral light, system appears to energize and the gauges go to normal indications. I don't hear anything when I press the starter switch, no clicking of any kind. put a jump box on the battery just to make sure there was plenty of juice, still nothing. It is a trike and I will look to see if it still has a kickstand switch on it, but i don't think so.
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Odgreen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:47 pm Sorry for the delay, out of town for a couple days. Everything looks good with the neutral light, system appears to energize and the gauges go to normal indications. I don't hear anything when I press the starter switch, no clicking of any kind. put a jump box on the battery just to make sure there was plenty of juice, still nothing. It is a trike and I will look to see if it still has a kickstand switch on it, but i don't think so.
Ok, so turn on the key with it in neutral and then turn on the radio. Now hit the starter button, does the radio mute? Have you tried squeezing the clutch lever while hitting the starter button? The system has two starter relays that are both used when starting. The A relay is at the rear of the battery and the B relay is farther back, hidden by the left fender/saddlebag on a two wheeler. The starter button switch provides the power to trigger the A relay and the A relay closes and triggers the B relay which connects the power on to the starter motor. For the A relay to energize it needs a ground that comes through the reverse relay under the seat in the relay bank. The ground is routed to the reverse relay from the gear position switch when it’s in neutral via the reverse regulator assembly. The ground from the gear position switch, when it’s in neutral, provides the ground for the reverse relay’s coil as well as the ground it’s sending to the A relay’s coil. The circuit sounds complicated, but it’s pretty simple and there’s probably a simple reason you’re not even getting a click from the system.
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Well this beats all. I went out to see if the radio went stopped playing when the starter button was pressed and it started first try. I haven't done anything to it since the problem started a few days ago. If I was still flying in the Army the crew chiefs would call this a Homo-Tron.
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Odgreen wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:14 am Well this beats all. I went out to see if the radio went stopped playing when the starter button was pressed and it started first try. I haven't done anything to it since the problem started a few days ago. If I was still flying in the Army the crew chiefs would call this a Homo-Tron.
Thanks for all the help
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Dang! Hate the intermittent crap. Hopefully the issue never shows up again.
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Re: Bike will not engage starter

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Odgreen wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:14 am Well this beats all. I went out to see if the radio went stopped playing when the starter button was pressed and it started first try. I haven't done anything to it since the problem started a few days ago. If I was still flying in the Army the crew chiefs would call this a Homo-Tron.
Thanks for all the help
Odgreen
I would start by varifying that your battery connections are clean and tight. If all good there, have your battery professionally tested.
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Ok, so the gremlin is back don't you know!! Checked the battery, fully charged, no corrosion at all. Put the bike in neutral with the radio on and depressed the starter button, nothing happens. The radio does not cut out at all. Could someone steer me to a diagram of the starter circuit and the location of the relays on the bike?
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Odgreen wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:10 pm Ok, so the gremlin is back don't you know!! Checked the battery, fully charged, no corrosion at all. Put the bike in neutral with the radio on and depressed the starter button, nothing happens. The radio does not cut out at all. Could someone steer me to a diagram of the starter circuit and the location of the relays on the bike?
Ok, so the power that’s supposed to energize the A starter relay from the button switch is not coming from the switch or is not getting to the switch. Here is the simplified starter circuit diagram. The power comes from the kill switch, runs to the starter button switch, and then to the A starter relay when the switch is pushed. This power will mute the radio when the starter button switch sends it to the A starter relay and the audio unit. Now that it’s broken again, is the FI light cycling on when you turn on the key? The power that causes the FI light to cycle is the same power for the starter button switch coming from the Start/stop fuse via the kill switch. Since the radio didn’t mute, you need to track down where the power from the fuse is getting lost. It’s not a relay issue.

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