Lithium ion battery for 2012 GL1800


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I hear many folks push the benefits of Lion batteries for the 1800. But one GOLDWING mechanic that I trust, emphatically said that the 2012 GL1800’s electrical system is NOT set up for Lion, and MUST stick with the OEM Yuasa. Can anyone (Scott) confirm this?
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A lithium iron phosphate is a drop in replacement as long as it is a smart battery with a built-in BMS, since that circuitry is not built-in to the GoldWing. I have been amazed at the life and performance of the LiFePO4 batteries. I have them on motorcycles, golf carts, scooters, and am about to upgrade my motorhome, too.
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Many thanks, Rambozo, for your quick reply and important information. I guess that’s what he meant by the 2012 not being set up for it.
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I've not used one myself, but know that many share various problems with them. First is no cranking in cold weather. On 6th gens, their charging systems are not set up for them. Another is balance. If you remove your right side cover you'll see that the fuel tank sticks through the frame there. The fuel weight there is to off set the weight of the battery on the other side. Not all riders will notice handling issues cause by the change in weight, but some will.
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Thanks, Greg. 2 important considerations.
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They have a higher energy storage density than lead acid/AGM, and weigh much less. They are a drop-in replacement and will work fine.

They have issues putting out much current if they are cold, and need time to warm up (sit with the headlight on for a few minutes) before starting on a cold day.

As for the benefits - higher energy storage means you will travel farther if your alternator conks out before the battery dies. That's about it. Weight savings is not going to make a noticeable difference to 99% of riders.

I'd put one in a race car, where every ounce counts, but for a bike...just extra money for no real benefit.
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Many thanks, Scott, for sharing your expert opinion!
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Doc Goldwing wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:42 pm I hear many folks push the benefits of Lion batteries for the 1800. But one GOLDWING mechanic that I trust, emphatically said that the 2012 GL1800’s electrical system is NOT set up for Lion, and MUST stick with the OEM Yuasa. Can anyone (Scott) confirm this?
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The Yuasa that your Wing came with, in almost all cases, provide incredable service and reliability. Plus they are American made. Why are you considering something else ???
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Although your question is probably rhetorical, the real answer is that I live in an apartment, where garaging the bike is not easy or inexpensive. I may have a cheaper alternative, but there is no AC outlet for a battery tender. My understanding is that the lithium ion batteries can go a long time between charges or tendering. but in the end, I believe you are correct in your assessment.
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Doc Goldwing wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:56 am Although your question is probably rhetorical, the real answer is that I live in an apartment, where garaging the bike is not easy or inexpensive. I may have a cheaper alternative, but there is no AC outlet for a battery tender. My understanding is that the lithium ion batteries can go a long time between charges or tendering. but in the end, I believe you are correct in your assessment.
That is true...the rate of self discharge for a lithium ion battery is 1-2% per month, and lead acid batteries are more like 5% per month. That will change with state of charge and ambient temperature, but overall, lithium batteries will hold their charger far longer than lead acid.
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Had the same questions regarding these batteries. Contacted Alberta Lithium, had a good discussion especially regarding use in the cold. This company sells these batteries for use in snowmobiles, ATVs and such that are used in the cold climate it has in Alberta with no problems. Need a specific charger for the LifePo4 batteries. Smaller, lighter, and the 1800 charging system will charge this type of battery. Cost for the LifePo4 battery versus the Yuasa was $20.00 CDN more - $160.00 versus $180.00.
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Doc Goldwing wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:56 am Although your question is probably rhetorical, the real answer is that I live in an apartment, where garaging the bike is not easy or inexpensive. I may have a cheaper alternative, but there is no AC outlet for a battery tender. My understanding is that the lithium ion batteries can go a long time between charges or tendering. but in the end, I believe you are correct in your assessment.
I never use a maintainer on my car or my Wing. Assuming that your Wing has no other draws other then the OEM ones (listening for trunk remote, clock, and presets), here in FL, with a healthy battery, my Wing may sit for 3-4 months without running, and crank over strong after. In a round-about way, Honda does suggest to replace the battery every 2-3 years, which I do follow.
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Thank you for that information.
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Rednaxs60 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:24 am Had the same questions regarding these batteries. Contacted Alberta Lithium, had a good discussion especially regarding use in the cold. This company sells these batteries for use in snowmobiles, ATVs and such that are used in the cold climate it has in Alberta with no problems. Need a specific charger for the LifePo4 batteries. Smaller, lighter, and the 1800 charging system will charge this type of battery. Cost for the LifePo4 battery versus the Yuasa was $20.00 CDN more - $160.00 versus $180.00.
Have you been using one in a 2012 GL 1800?
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Doc Goldwing wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:10 am
Rednaxs60 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:24 am Had the same questions regarding these batteries. Contacted Alberta Lithium, had a good discussion especially regarding use in the cold. This company sells these batteries for use in snowmobiles, ATVs and such that are used in the cold climate it has in Alberta with no problems. Need a specific charger for the LifePo4 batteries. Smaller, lighter, and the 1800 charging system will charge this type of battery. Cost for the LifePo4 battery versus the Yuasa was $20.00 CDN more - $160.00 versus $180.00.
Have you been using one in a 2012 GL 1800?
Use in my '85 Limited Edition. It has a clock and US map on at all times. Don't anticipate any problems. Had an '08 1800 a while back. It did not have anything on when parked like my '85. My '85 has the external alternator mod - car alternator installed, discussed this with the company. The company mentioned there would be no charging issues.

Best thing to do is call this company or a company that sells these batteries and discuss your issues with them.
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Good advice, Rednaxs. Many thanks!
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There is a difference between Lithium Ion and Lithium Iron Phosphate that is being discussed here. Not to mention I've seen quite a few lead acid batteries explode from crash damage. Anything with high energy density can be dangerous, and your fuel tank has the highest energy density on a bike.


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