Disadvantages to 2010 Navi option???


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Disadvantages to 2010 Navi option???

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Shopping for an 1800, have no need for Navi as I'm a dedicated Scenic nav app user, but have come across a 2010 Level 2 (Audio/Comfort/Navi) of a dear friend who recently passed away, and would love to own his bike. Question: might this unneeded Navi function pose any future problems? I have no need for it, won't be using it, and just want some reassurance that I can relegate that page to the back and not encounter issues with other pages/gauges/etc. Any advantages, perhaps screen differences?


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Re: Disadvantages to 2010 Navi option???

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Having the Navi is not really an issue. Yes, it doesn't function as well as the aftermarket stand alone GPS units but the onboard Navi suits some folks just fine.

The draw back is the LCD screen. I have seen numerous issues with the LCD screen on the Navi models and zero issues with the non-Navi models.
I have read of too many Navi model wings that the LCD screens have develop lines through the screen or worse. Then when the owner decides they want to fix it, they discover that the LCD screen is well over $600 just for the part. Some have opted to buy from Ali Express or other Chinese suppliers only to find that the screen is not an exact replacement. When that part non-oem screen gets installed and tested, it causes more damage and the result is a white screen and the need to spend another very large sum of money to get it all back to proper working order.

If it were me, I'd shy away from a Navi model.
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Thanks for that, Mike. I haven't been tracking the 1800 discussions as I've been 100% happy with my 1999 GS1500 SE but I laid it over on a culvert last week and poked a hole in the crankcase. I would love to purchase my deceased friend's bike but don't want to regret overlooking the potential downside of the Navi system. Perhaps we'll hear from a few other forum members on this topic but you've made it pretty clear which direction to go. There are a lot of 1800's for sale. Chris
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One thing I did neglect to mention is that the updates to the Navi maps is kind of sketchy.
I think you have to pay for the updates Plus getting them accomplished is not really easy nor are they readily available.

I've been spoiled by my Garmin GPS units. I have about a dozen of them and they're all easily updatable and the updates are free.
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Re: Disadvantages to 2010 Navi option???

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If you are not going to use the Nav, then get the bike without it. The units up to the 2010's, do not have a separate memory card for making custom routes. Honda updated the Nav units on the 2012. They have a removable memory card so you can do a custom route on your computer and download it to the memory card. The 2010 and older units do not have this extra card.

The screen problem is out there. I have a small line on my 2012, but it is not really that big of an issue.

The nav unit does not control anything else. So, you are not losing anything without it.

If the bike you are looking at fits your needs, then go for it!
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Snowmoer wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:14 am <...>
The nav unit does not control anything else. So, you are not losing anything without it.
Correct, and as you know, there's the clock, the odometer, the submenus for the audio subsystem, CB radio...

In short, every other function besides those that are 'analog' on the gauge cluster is viewed thru that LCD.

For the OP - I would certainly check to see if that display has any visible issues. If not, and the rest of the bike is solid, buy it and deal with the screen issue if you happen to be bit by it.

Ref: My 2006 (bought new in '07) had the screen issue pop up just before I sold it after ten years and 125,000 miles.
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Do I need the navi screen to control the OEM CB I would be adding?
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erkmann wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:32 pm Do I need the navi screen to control the OEM CB I would be adding?
Honestly, I do not know. I do believe that the information you need to see such as channel, volume and squelch settings are only visible via the LCD screen.
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MikeB wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:13 pm
erkmann wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:32 pm Do I need the navi screen to control the OEM CB I would be adding?
Honestly, I do not know. I do believe that the information you need to see such as channel, volume and squelch settings are only visible via the LCD screen.
MikeB is correct in that 'control' means you know what channel you're on, what the volume and squelch levels are set at - and that's exclusively through the LCD screen.

Looking at the design of the bike's electronics....they did a good job in making sure that all ancillary control displays are in that LCD, and all of that started with the 2006 model year when the first bikes came out with that built-in, Garmin-supplied navigation system. The navi box changed three times, but that LCD didn't.
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MikeB and kwthom, to be clear, can I mount an OEM on a Audio/Comfort and get the info I need from the bike's screen or does the CB REQUIRE the larger Navi screen as installed on a Audio/Comfort /NAVI (!)? I'm shopping for an 1800 right now with definite plans to mount an OEM CB. I'd prefer NOT to get the Navi as I understand there are potential screen issues and I don't need the Navi because I use phone-based apps for navigation.
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Re: Disadvantages to 2010 Navi option???

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I'm pretty sure that the CB is the same unit regardless of whether the bike is an Audio/Comfort or a Navi model. The LCD screen on either bike will give you the CB info.
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Re: Disadvantages to 2010 Navi option???

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Thanks, Mike. I'm likely picking up a '09 Audio/Comfort next week. Thanks to you and others for your help on this.


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