1st gen fog lights on a 2nd gen


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1st gen fog lights on a 2nd gen

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Hi, I'm wondering if the round Honda Fog lights for an 08 will fit on a 2015 which, has the rectangular openings. If they bolt up, are they centered in the rectangular open?


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Wow ... that's confusing. To know what generation you have, go here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Gold_Wing
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08Wingrider wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:13 pm Hi, I'm wondering if the round Honda Fog lights for an 08 will fit on a 2015 which, has the rectangular openings. If they bolt up, are they centered in the rectangular open?
First answer is 'no'; second answer is it doesn't matter, since the first answer is no.
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GoldWingrGreg wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:18 pm Wow ... that's confusing. To know what generation you have, go here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Gold_Wing
Some break up the 5th gen 1800 into 2 groups, the "1st gen" is '01-'10 (made in USA) and slightly updated/redesigned "2nd gen" are the '11 to '17 (made in Japan).

An OT annoyance for me is the 6th gen stayed an "1800", so you can no longer differentiate generations by engine size (yes the old one is 1832cc and new one is 1833cc, but you know what I mean).
They should have bumped it up to around 1844cc, so it could be referred to as an 1850 or something like that.
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Square peg <> round hole. You do the math.
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blupupher wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:24 pm Some break up the 5th gen 1800 into 2 groups, the "1st gen" is '01-'10 (made in USA) and slightly updated/redesigned "2nd gen" are the '11 to '17 (made in Japan).

An OT annoyance for me is the 6th gen stayed an "1800", so you can no longer differentiate generations by engine size (yes the old one is 1832cc and new one is 1833cc, but you know what I mean).
They should have bumped it up to around 1844cc, so it could be referred to as an 1850 or something like that.
And now there are divisions between 2018-2020 and 2021- where they made some substantial changes to the bodywork and increased the luggage size.
Not to mention the 88-89 1500s that were practically a different bike from later years, but looked the same.
I'm waiting for the two liter wing.
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blupupher wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:24 pm
GoldWingrGreg wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:18 pm Wow ... that's confusing. To know what generation you have, go here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Gold_Wing
Some break up the 5th gen 1800 into 2 groups, the "1st gen" is '01-'10 (made in USA) and slightly updated/redesigned "2nd gen" are the '11 to '17 (made in Japan).
The only web pages I know that devide a 5th gen into 2 generations are web pages that sell chrome and bling. Basically it probably done for personal profit, with poor regaurd to proper "naming convention." For example, a 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air with rear fins, does not change it from being part of the same generation as a 1955 or 56.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_convention

As for an answer to your original question, although in 2012, Honda changed the shape of the fog-lamp hole in the lower center cowl, the Hondaline fog lamp kit they offered did not change, and the round foglamps were what they sold through 2017. At some point, their kit did change from an incondecent bulb to a LED design. The LED kit part number is 08V70-MCA-S41.
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GoldWingrGreg wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:31 am
blupupher wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:24 pm
GoldWingrGreg wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:18 pm Wow ... that's confusing. To know what generation you have, go here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Gold_Wing
Some break up the 5th gen 1800 into 2 groups, the "1st gen" is '01-'10 (made in USA) and slightly updated/redesigned "2nd gen" are the '11 to '17 (made in Japan).
The only web pages I know that devide up a 5th gen into 2 generations are web pages that sell chrome and other bling. Basically they do it for profit, with no regaurd to proper "naming convention." For example, Like a 1955-57 Chevrolet, just because a 57 has rear fins, it did not change the generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_convention
Its not for profit, there are things (like the driving lights) that do not fit between certain years. There were quite a few changes between those years, not enough to call it a new generation, but you need to differentiate between the 2.
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blupupher wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:44 am
Its not for profit, there are things (like the driving lights) that do not fit between certain years. There were quite a few changes between those years, not enough to call it a new generation, but you need to differentiate between the 2.
Possibly they should have used the word Version, or identified them with their year and model as Honda does. After all, when using poor naming convention, it now becomes confusing ... should we call a 6th gen a 6th gen, or is the 6th gen really a 3rd gen GL1800 ???

Also, if one is disregaurding proper naming convention, maybe we should do this:
gen 1: 2001-03 no changes
gen 2: 2004 windsheild vent, lighted handlebar switches
gen 3: 2005 upgraded alternator, dimond pattern seat
gen 4: 2006-8 various levels, rear Euro style lighting, gas gauge and temp gauge swapped places, name plate changed from gold to chrome, black inner cowl shields (no longer painted to match), ADG upgrade
gen 5: 2009 - a Special Edition Wing, weather radar, XM, TPMS, GYZ battery
gen 6: 2010 - turnsignal indicator dash light changed from amber to green
gen 7: 2012-13 - seat style change, rear lighting and trunk changes, with lower cowl and garnish changes
gen 8: 2014: transmission upgrade 4th and 5th gear

Over the years, 5th gens have evolved so much that I'm sure I've not listed some of their changes, and miss represented the years of changes.
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I can see how the title is confusing especially when readying the actual message. I don't see how I can fix it.
The 2008 I mentioned is of the 1st generation of the GL1800 and as mentioned, the 2012 is the start of the 2nd generation of the GL1800. Greg, thanks for clarifying.
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You should be able to install these 08 lamps by simply installing them in the bike, then install a gen 1 lower cowl with the round openings.
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by Ramnight » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:34 pm

You should be able to install these 08 lamps by simply installing them in the bike, then install a gen 1 lower cowl with the round openings.


Ya, that's what I did. I should be painting the 2008 cowl to match the black paint on my 2015 this week.
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Round lights, square hole. They fit. I have a set of pieces to fill the gap. The company that made them no longer offers them. Not enough demand. They actually did a run of the from drawings I sent them.
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08Wingrider wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:13 pm Hi, I'm wondering if the round Honda Fog lights for an 08 will fit on a 2015 which, has the rectangular openings. If they bolt up, are they centered in the rectangular open?
Fog lamps for 2008 and 2015 carry different part #'s. So I'd say no.
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Asphaltmaniac wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:35 pm
08Wingrider wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:13 pm Hi, I'm wondering if the round Honda Fog lights for an 08 will fit on a 2015 which, has the rectangular openings. If they bolt up, are they centered in the rectangular open?
Fog lamps for 2008 and 2015 carry different part #'s. So I'd say no.
The difference in part number is because of the shape of the light, The mounting hardware and wiring are the same.
The ones I mounted in my 2012 (picture) were from 2001-2010, I bought them before Honda had the ones available for the 2012.
I did order the ones for the ABS model because of the difference in the switches. The 2012-2017 used the same switch as the older ABS ones.
My picture proves they work. The light looks crooked because the angle I took the picture.
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I stand corrected... :)


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